It seems like there is alot of people from Northern NJ on this site. Who lives in the Southern Counties?
Jerseyjoe
Salem County, myself. I'm well traveled in this region and others. I have called it home for 34 years. We are started to see the urban crawl like you boy's up north have. I don't like it myself. Swamphunter, you are right we always get wet. Lacrosse Burly's are like jogging shoes. LAC Nikes if you will.
Till our trails cross,
Ryan
Till our trails cross,
Ryan
LOL. Ryan, only a cricker would understand that joke.
Sorry fellows, I've been all over the state and if I had to live north of Camden County, I'd find another job. The only thing I envy about North Jersey is the fishing, more species are available. Oh, and there is this little liquor store/deli off of Speedwell Ave in Morris Plains that has the best pepper shooters...other than that, you can keep it. I cringe every time I see that orange cheese on sandwiches...what's with that anyway? [confused]
WILD WORK YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE URBAN CRAWL ,IN CUMBERLAND COUNTY IT'S ON THE FAST TRACK YOU CANT BLAME A FARMER FOR SELLING OUT AT 25,ooo. TO 35,000. AN ACRE ,MY FAMILY WAS IN THE FARMING BUSINESS SINCE THE 1800 HUNDREDS AND NO FARMER I KNOW MADE CLOSE TO 25,000. IN HIS LIFETIME ON AN ACRE OF GROUND.I HAVE A FEW RELATIVES STILL TRYING TO MAKE A DIME FARMING BUT I THINK THE END IS NEAR. ( I LIKE THE LAC NIKES )
I HAVE A PAIR .I ALSO LIKE THE LACROSSE WHITE BOOTS IN THE SUMMER ( CANTON CRUISERS )
I HAVE A PAIR .I ALSO LIKE THE LACROSSE WHITE BOOTS IN THE SUMMER ( CANTON CRUISERS )
I live in Atlantic county. For me anyting above Toms River is blue belly country. The urban spraw is happening all over Atlantic county. The property values have gone through the roof and the woods are evaporating at a rapid pace. At the current rate of property value increase I figure my 14 acres will be worth millions in the next 20 years.
. The urban spraw is happening all over Atlantic county. The property values have gone through the roof and the woods are evaporating at a rapid pace. At the current rate of property value increase I figure my 14 acres will be worth millions in the next 20 years.
I live in Central Jersey (Long Branch for about 44 hours/week), travel to and work in North Jersey near Teterboro Airport Mon - Th(58 hours/week), Hunt/fish in North Central Jersey Th night - Sun.(Hunterdon/Warren Counties for 65 hours/weekend),
BUT I travel to, and tread & rake clams and fish for weakfish in Little Egg Harbor and Great Bay mostly every weekend (Fri. & Sat. - 30 hours/weekend) from the 2nd week of July until the opening weekend of bow season until I bag my Earn-A-Buck Doe, then back to clamming and fishing down there until October.
I stop in Scott's Bait & Tackle on Radio Road every weekend for bait (if I don't seine it myself), and get subs & ice at the Deli up the road from him - I put the boat in at First Bridge Marina on Seven Bridges Road (Great Bay Blvd.)- The Owner, Rusty, lets us in there in off season before/after the Marina is officially opened for business for clamming and hunting.
Also, I do hunt some ducks and geese near Leeds Point and Brigantine in Atlantic County AND Stipson Island Rd. in Cape May County from time to time (24-30 hours a few weekends each year)during the Coastal Migratory bird seasons.
I can do the math with hours spent in the North and the South, but, by your definitions, am I considered a Northern "blue belly" or a Southern "grey backed, Jonny Reb, ******* Clam Digger"? [confused][smirk]
Having spent 3 -5 weeks a year for about 10 years in the Mississippi/Louisiana area I know the difference between, and the true Southerner's definition of a "Yankee" and a "Damned Yankee" - "...A Yankee comes to visit, but a Damned Yankee stays...". [smirk]
My heart still lies with the South and the Southern way of life - Even if it is only South Jersey that we're talking about!!!! LMAO [cool][up]
....And, "NO" the Mason-Dixon Line DOES NOT run through South Jersey!!!!
http://freespace.virgin.net/john.cletheroe/usa_can/usa/mas_dix.htm
(read the section in the above link entitled "The Delaware/Pennsylvania Border - The Twelve Mile Arc").
http://www.civilwarhome.com/masondixon.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m/masond1ix.asp
I don't think you could find two people in New Jersey who would agree where South Jersey stops and North Jersey begins. One person might say zip codes beginning with 07 are in North Jersey and those that begin with 08 are in South Jersey. Another might say that telephone area code 609 is South Jersey and the others constitute North Jersey. I tend to agree with the view that North of Trenton, the state capitol, is North Jersey and south of there is South Jersey.
EXCERPT:
Did The Mason-Dixon Line Run Through New Jersey?
I've had a couple of people ask me if the Mason-Dixon Line ever ran as far east as present-day New Jersey.
The original Mason-Dixon Line as surveyed by Mason and Dixon definitely did not officially run through New Jersey.
According to some sources the colloquial Mason-Dixon Line runs through New Jersey.
I was under the impression that the Mason and Dixon line does run through the southern end of New Jersey. It also goes through Delaware. I know this for sure because as soon as you cross the border there is a sign that says "Border of the Mason and Dixon Line".
Christopher Downie sent me this note regarding the location of the sign:
I'm sure you're aware of this but there is a sign on the NJ Turnpike that says "Mason Dixon Line". It's somewhere around Exit 3 if I remember correctly.
Vincent Harris sent me the following message:
As a history major in college and a South Jersey resident I feel that is my place to finally calm the confused waters of the Mason Dixon Line/New Jersey controversy.
Yes, the Mason Dixon Line is the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland but if you take a ruler to a map at that border you will see that it crosses well into New Jersey, regardless of whether this was the intended purpose of this border.
The whole concept behind the Mason Dixon line revolves around landmarks. Many North Jerseans sometimes consider South Jersey as "The South". This is probably due to the distinct change in landscape that occurs travelling south into Gloucester and Salem Counties and finally into Cumberland and Cape May. This region does indeed look much like the South. It is the region that earned New Jersey the nickname "The Garden State"; known for New Jersey tomatoes.
A landmark that one would consider to be New Jersey's Mason Dixon Line is Oldman's Creek, which is the border between Gloucester and Salem counties. Using the ruler-map method you'll see that the Delaware border (Mason Dixon Line) runs directly into this creek.
Also, in the small South Jersey town of Deepwater (off the Delaware River) there is a deep swamp where a revolutionary war cemetery is located. On the other side of this swamp there is an old sign which says "Delaware Property", and it is. Delaware owns a relatively large swamp in New Jersey on this small piece of land right off the Jersey side of the Delaware River. This landmark is often looked upon as a North/South border mark. They say that Delaware won the land in a dispute with New Jersey during the Revolutionary War. This could be true in regards to the fact that Delaware, although it was considered a Union state, was prominent for slaves. Slaves would often cross over to New Jersey from Delaware to that same general area in Salem County where this swamp is located. Keep in mind that this area is known for its contributions to the Underground Railroad.
So, even if the Mason Dixon line does not officially run through New Jersey its influence has had a profound effect on the state's history.
New Jersey's Status
Lauren McGlynn kindly forwarded me this message she received from James Campbell, the historian of the Greater Cape May Historical Society, regarding whether New Jersey was ever considered a part of the South:
In colonial times there was a West Jersey and an East Jersey. If you drew a line approximately from Little Egg Harbour to Delaware Water Gap, that would have been the boundary between West Jersey and East Jersey. Presbyterian churches in this area still belong to the West Jersey Presbytery.
If you extended the Mason-Dixon Line east to the ocean, there were more slaves north of that line than there were south of the line in New Jersey.[Presumably Lauren means extending the Pennsylvania/Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware borders east to the ocean, since doing so would cut across part of New Jersey - JC]
EXCERPT:
Did The Mason-Dixon Line Run Through New Jersey?
I've had a couple of people ask me if the Mason-Dixon Line ever ran as far east as present-day New Jersey.
The original Mason-Dixon Line as surveyed by Mason and Dixon definitely did not officially run through New Jersey.
According to some sources the colloquial Mason-Dixon Line runs through New Jersey.
I was under the impression that the Mason and Dixon line does run through the southern end of New Jersey. It also goes through Delaware. I know this for sure because as soon as you cross the border there is a sign that says "Border of the Mason and Dixon Line".
Christopher Downie sent me this note regarding the location of the sign:
I'm sure you're aware of this but there is a sign on the NJ Turnpike that says "Mason Dixon Line". It's somewhere around Exit 3 if I remember correctly.
Vincent Harris sent me the following message:
As a history major in college and a South Jersey resident I feel that is my place to finally calm the confused waters of the Mason Dixon Line/New Jersey controversy.
Yes, the Mason Dixon Line is the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland but if you take a ruler to a map at that border you will see that it crosses well into New Jersey, regardless of whether this was the intended purpose of this border.
The whole concept behind the Mason Dixon line revolves around landmarks. Many North Jerseans sometimes consider South Jersey as "The South". This is probably due to the distinct change in landscape that occurs travelling south into Gloucester and Salem Counties and finally into Cumberland and Cape May. This region does indeed look much like the South. It is the region that earned New Jersey the nickname "The Garden State"; known for New Jersey tomatoes.
A landmark that one would consider to be New Jersey's Mason Dixon Line is Oldman's Creek, which is the border between Gloucester and Salem counties. Using the ruler-map method you'll see that the Delaware border (Mason Dixon Line) runs directly into this creek.
Also, in the small South Jersey town of Deepwater (off the Delaware River) there is a deep swamp where a revolutionary war cemetery is located. On the other side of this swamp there is an old sign which says "Delaware Property", and it is. Delaware owns a relatively large swamp in New Jersey on this small piece of land right off the Jersey side of the Delaware River. This landmark is often looked upon as a North/South border mark. They say that Delaware won the land in a dispute with New Jersey during the Revolutionary War. This could be true in regards to the fact that Delaware, although it was considered a Union state, was prominent for slaves. Slaves would often cross over to New Jersey from Delaware to that same general area in Salem County where this swamp is located. Keep in mind that this area is known for its contributions to the Underground Railroad.
So, even if the Mason Dixon line does not officially run through New Jersey its influence has had a profound effect on the state's history.
New Jersey's Status
Lauren McGlynn kindly forwarded me this message she received from James Campbell, the historian of the Greater Cape May Historical Society, regarding whether New Jersey was ever considered a part of the South:
In colonial times there was a West Jersey and an East Jersey. If you drew a line approximately from Little Egg Harbour to Delaware Water Gap, that would have been the boundary between West Jersey and East Jersey. Presbyterian churches in this area still belong to the West Jersey Presbytery.
If you extended the Mason-Dixon Line east to the ocean, there were more slaves north of that line than there were south of the line in New Jersey.[Presumably Lauren means extending the Pennsylvania/Maryland and Pennsylvania/Delaware borders east to the ocean, since doing so would cut across part of New Jersey - JC]
Hey Outlaw I also tred clams but over in the Absecon area. I have never tried it in the Great bay area even though its close.
I also travel three or four times a year to the Louisiana and Miss coast. Lots of great seafood down in those areas. I'll be in the Gulfport area for a week in the begining of may. Every year I get a chance to see the blessing of the shrimp fleet which kicks off shrimp season. Last year i brought back 40 pounds that I paid 2 dollers a pound for. Got them off a shrimp boat. Last night we had our last shrimp boil so I think its time to get some more. I think the price of shrimp has gone up since last year.
I also travel three or four times a year to the Louisiana and Miss coast. Lots of great seafood down in those areas. I'll be in the Gulfport area for a week in the begining of may. Every year I get a chance to see the blessing of the shrimp fleet which kicks off shrimp season. Last year i brought back 40 pounds that I paid 2 dollers a pound for. Got them off a shrimp boat. Last night we had our last shrimp boil so I think its time to get some more. I think the price of shrimp has gone up since last year.
Jerseyjoe - Clamming is better on the Little Egg Harbor side near the sedge islands across from Beach Haven/Holgate - Maybe I'll see you out there - I'm usually down that way starting the third week of July 'cuz I really got hooked on the fly fishing scene in North West Jersey in June and July. My boat is a 16'Sylvan w/ a 40 HP Mercury - The name on the sides reads "Dear" Hunter - Long Branch, NJ. I'll be the stocky guy with shaved head and tattoos treading them lil' necks!!!
I can't make it to MS this year - Went to Mardis Gras last year and had a blast - First time I was in "Knawrl lins" during the festivities - I used to go to the "Blessing of the Fleet" festival in P [no swearing please] Christian and Gulfport every year of the 10 years I spent down there...My cousin (who is a civilian equivalent to a Navy Commander, has worked as a Naval Oceanographer @ Stennis NASA Base in Waveland, MS for many years) and Godson live in Long Beach, MS (directly between Gulfport and P [no swearing please] Christian).
Mudbugs (crawfish) should be "in-season" when you get there - nothing like pinching a lil' tail !!!! I can eat 10#s of those little "bugs" in one sitting !!!
Also, in May, the Speck (Speckled Trout aka Weakfish) fishing is great off of the pier that is across the street near the Univ. of Southern Mississippi/Police Training school on Hwy. 90 - Use Snapper Poppers (like we use here for Snapper Blues) with a treble hook and live shrimp on it (look out for the "Dozer/Mole Shrimp that you may get mixed in with the regular shrimp as they can put one hell of a painful sting on you !!!) - Give the popper bobber a twitch and the action shoud start!!! Look for the "oil slicks" (that is created from the Specks regurgitating their food) that pop up to locate the schools of fish - You can't miss it, and it kinda' smells like watermelon rinds!!!
Everyone down there kept busting my chops when I would take my remaining live shrimp "bait" back to my cousins house to cook for dinner!!!
If you can get them, talk to a Shrimper and see if he will keep a few dozen shrimp live for you, or you can even use the ones from the bait shops - Put them in a Pyrex bowl (if you use a square dish, they will all go into the corners and won't swim properly to complete the process) filled with Sake and let them swim around 'til they stop swimming due to "pickling" themselves - Throw them in a Wok or in the microwave with fresh ginger and sesame, and whatever else you want to add, and you have one hell of a meal - Drunkin' Shrimp!!!!
Flounder giggin' at night with spears and lanterns should be kicking off around May, also. - Make sure you do the "Gulf Shuffle" with your feet while walking to avoid tangling up with the stingrays !!!
If you can, post a "New Topic" about your trip, I'd enjoy hearing about the MS Gulfcoast - I can't wait to get back down there!!!
I'm planning on getting some more "ink" done at "Jack and Diane's Tattoo Shop" (located in Gulfport just outside of the US Naval Seabee Base) sometime in June or September.
I used to fly into New Orleans Intl., but it is more pleasurable to avoid the 1 hour and 10 minute ride back to MS by flying into Atlanta, then taking a twin prop American Eagle "puddle jumper" directly into Gulfport Airport.
I can't make it to MS this year - Went to Mardis Gras last year and had a blast - First time I was in "Knawrl lins" during the festivities - I used to go to the "Blessing of the Fleet" festival in P [no swearing please] Christian and Gulfport every year of the 10 years I spent down there...My cousin (who is a civilian equivalent to a Navy Commander, has worked as a Naval Oceanographer @ Stennis NASA Base in Waveland, MS for many years) and Godson live in Long Beach, MS (directly between Gulfport and P [no swearing please] Christian).
Mudbugs (crawfish) should be "in-season" when you get there - nothing like pinching a lil' tail !!!! I can eat 10#s of those little "bugs" in one sitting !!!
Also, in May, the Speck (Speckled Trout aka Weakfish) fishing is great off of the pier that is across the street near the Univ. of Southern Mississippi/Police Training school on Hwy. 90 - Use Snapper Poppers (like we use here for Snapper Blues) with a treble hook and live shrimp on it (look out for the "Dozer/Mole Shrimp that you may get mixed in with the regular shrimp as they can put one hell of a painful sting on you !!!) - Give the popper bobber a twitch and the action shoud start!!! Look for the "oil slicks" (that is created from the Specks regurgitating their food) that pop up to locate the schools of fish - You can't miss it, and it kinda' smells like watermelon rinds!!!
Everyone down there kept busting my chops when I would take my remaining live shrimp "bait" back to my cousins house to cook for dinner!!!
If you can get them, talk to a Shrimper and see if he will keep a few dozen shrimp live for you, or you can even use the ones from the bait shops - Put them in a Pyrex bowl (if you use a square dish, they will all go into the corners and won't swim properly to complete the process) filled with Sake and let them swim around 'til they stop swimming due to "pickling" themselves - Throw them in a Wok or in the microwave with fresh ginger and sesame, and whatever else you want to add, and you have one hell of a meal - Drunkin' Shrimp!!!!
Flounder giggin' at night with spears and lanterns should be kicking off around May, also. - Make sure you do the "Gulf Shuffle" with your feet while walking to avoid tangling up with the stingrays !!!
If you can, post a "New Topic" about your trip, I'd enjoy hearing about the MS Gulfcoast - I can't wait to get back down there!!!
I'm planning on getting some more "ink" done at "Jack and Diane's Tattoo Shop" (located in Gulfport just outside of the US Naval Seabee Base) sometime in June or September.
I used to fly into New Orleans Intl., but it is more pleasurable to avoid the 1 hour and 10 minute ride back to MS by flying into Atlanta, then taking a twin prop American Eagle "puddle jumper" directly into Gulfport Airport.
Soundsd like we are thinking the same. I have an office in Gulfport thats a block from the pier and yea we plan on drowning some bait and lures. I'll try that popper that you mentioned.
Its a sad fact that I will eat a fair portion of the seafood that is availble while I am there. Its always great to get a sack of crawfish and boil them at the shop for lunch.
I travel to Gulfport at this time of year for a gaming show. I feel bad calling it work but someone has to do it. Usually I stay at one of the casinos and at night you see the guys gigging along the beach for flounder. The guys that work for me and myself talk about doing some gigging but it has not panned out.
Ill try those clamming spots that you mention as I am also trying new locations from Sea Isle north. I have a 16 foot Carolina skiff and a wet suit so I am surprised that I havent been out clamming yet. Last year we started in the begining of March but this year has been a bit busy.
Ill post the details of my trip when I get back. I am responsible for half of the United states so I get to travel alot which is great. I have a chance to catch salmon in Canada to deer hunting invites in Mississippi but I havent had the chance to take anyone up on there offer. I have two young kids so once they get a bit older then I will be able to take an extra couple of days to do some hunting or fishing while I travel.
Its a sad fact that I will eat a fair portion of the seafood that is availble while I am there. Its always great to get a sack of crawfish and boil them at the shop for lunch.
I travel to Gulfport at this time of year for a gaming show. I feel bad calling it work but someone has to do it. Usually I stay at one of the casinos and at night you see the guys gigging along the beach for flounder. The guys that work for me and myself talk about doing some gigging but it has not panned out.
Ill try those clamming spots that you mention as I am also trying new locations from Sea Isle north. I have a 16 foot Carolina skiff and a wet suit so I am surprised that I havent been out clamming yet. Last year we started in the begining of March but this year has been a bit busy.
Ill post the details of my trip when I get back. I am responsible for half of the United states so I get to travel alot which is great. I have a chance to catch salmon in Canada to deer hunting invites in Mississippi but I havent had the chance to take anyone up on there offer. I have two young kids so once they get a bit older then I will be able to take an extra couple of days to do some hunting or fishing while I travel.
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