Gotta love people like you. You have a bonafide field trial dog from Michigan where some of the best cover dogs are ran bred and yes hunted but oh no you don't want to breed to one of us terrible nasty field trial dog owners now[confusedagain][wallmad]. Gotta a kennel full of them that go to Maine every year and hunt nothing but wild birds but they're all low life field trial dogs.

 

Hey RuffHills how ya been? Hope all is well.

 

Been well Bob thanks.

 

Ruff:

Glad to hear that you are doing well and still running those dogs. I am hoping to get up to Maine again this year the first week of October. Planning it now!

 

Bob give me a call. Just got back and still have guys up there running

 

Hey ruffhills, if I was looking for opinions I would have posted "Looking for your opinion" guess what i am not!! You work about your kennel I'll worry about mine.

 

No problem fair enough. You say you have a kennel. How many dogs you carrying? How many breedings have you done at your place? Now you've peaked my interest. Where have your dog's been placed? Maybe I could talk to some of the people that have them to find out where and how they're hunted. Again sorry to piss in your wheaties. Wish you all the best

 

goat hill, i have known ruff hills for way to many years to count just makes us old..LOL He is a dedicated and honest individual to the breed as well as having tons and tons of experience hunting his dogs and others from New York State to Maine in pursuit of Grouse and woodcock. No finer honest person you will find. You should correspond with him as he is sure to steer you in the right direction.

 

You could have fooled me based on his initial response! Goathill simply mentioned, if you read between the lines, that he was looking for someone with a close working not a far ranging dog.

 

RPK I didn't have to read between the lines, I knew what he was asking. I will tell you that within Ruffhills breed he forgot more than most know. Simply, if one wants to produce a litter of quality healthy bird finding machines Ruffhills can be a wealth of knowledge.
I have seen his dog's in action they are cooperative, biddable bird finding machines. They hunt for the gun!

So many times I hear what is the range of your dogs, the answer for me is the intelligence of the dog dictates the range. If you are hunting in the thick grouse woods of Maine then the dog should naturally adjust to the cover. Hunting wide open spaces the dog should search out likely objectives that will hold birds. They should hunt with a purpose as Ruffhills dogs do.

 

I am not questioning his knowledge of dogs just the way he strongly responded to what I thought was a reasonable request to someone not badmouthing field trial dogs.

 

Ok first off let's everyone pour a glass about 4 fingers deep and I will explain why and where I'm coming from. Second Nobelle I've been called allot of things in life but your kind words sir usually weren't mentioned with my name I truly can't thank you enough.
And awaaay we go!
Most dogs worth an ounce of salt are going to have field trial blood in their pedigree somewhere...why cause their proven. Over time if breeders were reputable imperfections should have been bred out. Go back years setters never had 12:00 tails but they do now. I've taken AA dogs Prairie running dogs have bred them in hopes of infusing more wild bird sense and run had 10 pups and maybe got 2 that would've made it in the trial world and they only would've made it in walking stakes. It's a misconception that you breed 2 trial dogs and you get these crazed running lunatics. So yes when I read that statement it royally pissed me off. Know what you're talking about make educated decisions. I'm extremely anal about breeding especially when it comes to setters they can be squirrely enough [lol]
Hell take the time to talk with people who have been doing this and have put their hearts and souls into it. It's simple genetics look at Miller bred pointers news flash ole Ferrell didn't make those pointers turn white overnight. The op has a dog from MI there's a wealth of knowledge out there as there is here if one is willing to close the hole under ones nose and open the 2 on the side of one's head. I wish everyone nothing but the best
P.S. Nobellehause my life's mission has now become to get you to run one of these squirrely Shags[lol]

 

Ruffhills: I call them as I see them with my own eyes not through someone else's. While my life's passion has been GSP'S,(American Line) and now for better than a decade the German bred lines know as DK's, at this stage in my life where I started is where I will end. In fact, when I began this crazy journey I started with a GSP pup out of field trial lines who was a National Field Champion,(NFC). What you say is the absolute truth, a dedicated reputable breeder is always when contemplating a breeding looking to bred out imperfects always breeding with a purpose not simply putting two dogs together. Heart, desire, intelligence, cooperation and natural abilities in my opinion is the responsibility of a breeder, it is the environment in which a pup is placed determines the true greatness of the dog.

 

Like I said if you can't offer what i'm looking for, go eat "my pissed filled Wheaties.

 

Hey Ruffhills have not heard from you in a long time. A great grouse woods field trial dog is a great hunting dog. I have taken All age britts and had nice close ranging dogs. of course my idea of a close ranging dog is one that stays in bell range, under 100 yards. And Bob I have run dogs with you and your Short Hair can really cover ground, great little dog!!!! I have had setters for 12 years now and mine get out there and hunt. A dog that covers a lot of ground will find more birds. And Bob was that a picture of you dog in Pointing Dog Journal?

 

Hage



Morning Hage, you have me at disadvantage as I can not place the name Hage here with a person. I am not even sure if you are talking about the right Bob or where or when you saw me and my shorthair, which for the better part of my life wild have been shorthairs...

 

Also to add. Out of my last litter is a female that my friend has that does not range over 75 yards. And the other extreme is a male named Jake owned by a pro, Tom Woods, out in Oklahoma that has been run in 15 trials from horse back and has placed 12 times but he was the only one that was heavily trialed. My male, Yeti, will range according to the cover, close in grouse woods and will put 200 yards down in no time out west where I hunt Huns and Sharp tails out in North Dakota. One thing I do believe is that I like to breed to a proven wild bird dog. A dog that can handle grouse in the woods or Huns on the prairie is what I want to breed too.

 

RPK0260 Is the Bob I am talking about. He has a nice female shorthair named Riley.

 

RPK0620 Is the Bob I am talking about. He has a nice female shorthair named Riley. I see him once or twice before the season running at Colliers Mills.

 

I had to look.

I am a pointer person, so don't know much about setter breeding. So I punched up Dun Roven setters and the first thing that was staring me in the face was a bunch of pictures of dogs with blue ribbons.

I didn't know you could get those things without entering in...AND WINNING... a field trial. Silly me.

Hey Ruffhills...glad to hear you are doing well. It has been a while.

Goathills...just for your information... I got a pointer puppy out of Erin's War Creek who won the National Open Shooting dog championship a few years back. His momma was a winning grouse dog with several placements. He has 30 field trial champions in his 64 dog, 5 generation pedigree, so literally just about every other dog in his pedigree is a horseback shooting dog or grouse trial champion.

My youngster is three years old and about 60# of muscle and bone attached to a choke bore nose. He could run into the next zip code in the time it takes me to type this sentence...but he does not.

He stays with me and hunts for me. Both on foot and from horseback. Imagine that! And guess what?? He has a bunch of derby field trial placements...all horseback stakes...and I ain't lost him yet!

Not all dogs are created equal.


I have seen the kind of dog Ruffhill's breeds and runs.

RayG

 

What don't you idiots get???? If you can't answer the post for it's content STFU!!

 

My post was an apparently futile attempt at educating...

I apologize for the attempt and the waste of bandwidth.

Best of luck to you.

RayG

 

Glad I have BOYKINS !!!! Im not into all that field trial stuff , I just love to hunt birds with my dogs that listen to me and find birds . Hope ya find what your looking for !

 

Ruffhills, sent you a PM

 

Then PAY ATTENTION, and get your head out of your ass

 

Once again, you have shown what a class act you are.

I do think it is rather humorous, in a perverse way, that you think that insulting folks is conducive to getting them to help you.

I do hope that anyone who might be considering letting their dog mate with yours will read these posts and understand just what manner of "gentleman" they will be dealing with before they get involved.

Maybe you might stop to consider that when you put something out on the internet...it is out there forever and you cannot take it back. You put your phone number and location on your first post. How much effort do you think it will take to find out precisely who you are.

I wonder if the folks at Dun Roven know just what kind of "gentleman" they sold a pup to. I'd bet they would want to know.

Once again, have a blessed day.

RayG

 

I wonder if everyone knows what an IDIOT you are and how little you have to offer the entire hunting community.

 

You just HAVE to have the last word, don't you...and it seems that it HAS to be a nasty retort.

Very childish...I must say.

You obviously do not care that you are digging your hole...deeper and deeper... with every nastygram you type.

And just for the record...I am reasonably sure that I know what I have to offer to the bird dog hunting community... and what I can still learn from that same community.

You are most welcome.

RayG

 

Hey Goathill -

No snappy, nasty response??

Have you finally gotten control of your overblown ego?

Probably not...but there is always hope.

I will tell you this...

You will come to regret the day you called me out and, for your information...NOBODY tells me STFU.

NOBODY. Not ever.

But... you will figure that out.

It is "gentlemen" and "sportsmen" like yourself that, unfortunately seem to frequent this particular site, which keeps my participation here rather infrequent.


RayG

 

Birddogger I could not agree with you more...

Heres the thing which I know you and Ruffhills know; when contemplating a breeding it takes hard work, research , and then ultimately understanding why a pairing is made. What is one trying to add to the line, or in some instances remove from a line? What is the breeding coefficient? What happens when a particular dog doubles up or triples up in a breeding? What health checks does both the male and female have? Have the hips certified? Will a brucellosis test be done? Have you seen the stud dog work, siblings or offsprings in the field? How is the bite on the dog, the eye color, and overall conformation? It is way more as you know then just putting two dogs together and wishing for the best?