Was at the Burlington Dick's Yesterday. The guy there told me that they are supposed to start stocking up on crossbow inventory. They were told by the state that it was going to be intraduced to archery season this year. However, they have not received any crossbow inventory to date, but there has been a bunch of people asking about it. Hmmm, Maybe NJ will follow IL?

 

Was at the Burlington Dick's Yesterday. The guy there told me that they are supposed to start stocking up on crossbow inventory. They were told by the state that it was going to be intraduced to archery season this year

Really Mike? [confused][confused][confused] Until a week or so ago, my brother was a manger at THAT store. He never said anything about being told to stock up on crossbows and said he has heard zilch about it. I think he would be the one to know. Don't know who told you that, but my guess is he was blowing smoke.

 

but my guess is he was blowing smoke

Could be, or could be wishful thinking on your part???

I've never believed the "two year" rumors..and I still don't......

They took a step in the right direction in Illinois, in time they'll see the benefits and change that for all to have the CHOICE......it's in EVERY state's best interest to allow more choice when the resources can handle it, and with the Nationwide decline in hunter's numbers NO state can "sit around" and try to appease any one group....

 

On August 21, Illinois Governor, Rod R. Blagojevich approved legislation amending the Illinois Wildlife Code to permit the use of a crossbows by hunters age 62

A politician

Rick Bednar, CEO of TenPoint Crossbow Technologies, was pleased with the news. “We have been waiting for nearly two months for the governor to approve this legislation. We were pretty confident of the outcome,

A crossbow manufacturer

What NOTHING from any sportsmen’s group, in particular nothing from the Illinois Bowhunters association?
Sounds like a “Done Deal” between money and politics once again but at least they didn’t just try dumping across the board crossbow use ONLY into the bow season!

62 not a bad age and not far from S.S. collection qualification = ok to use a crossgun as I have been saying all along.

 

I know of 2 guys that were told at the Sportsmen's Center in Bordentown , that it was going through this year. As a result they both bought Crossbows.
They're both the type to raise hell about it, and demand their money back.

 

Could be, or could be wishful thinking on your part???

aceoky...did you read the whole thing? It wasn't any thinking on my part...my brother was the manager of the store until about a week ago, he said it isn't true. Has nothing to do what my thinking is on the issue, it just isn't true. Now it wouldn't surprise me for you to say that you of course know better than even my brother...the store manager of the store in question, even though you've never been within 500 miles of said store, but that again goes back to your unbelievable arrogance.

 

Really Mike? Until a week or so ago, my brother was a manger at THAT store. He never said anything about being told to stock up on crossbows and said he has heard zilch about it. I think he would be the one to know. Don't know who told you that, but my guess is he was blowing smoke.

Sorry Doug, but there was no smoke there. The guy was about 5'-11" maybe 6', carrying a couple extra pounds and a crew cut; well maybe going bald. I don't know his name sorry....

Doug, just because your brother worked there doesn't mean he knows everything. They "Dick's" were supposed to GET crossbows in stock, not they were told to stock them. I'm sorry that your brother didn't say anything about this. I'm also not in the habit of making up stories. I was merely regurgitating what was told to me.

 

A crossbow manufacturer

What NOTHING from any sportsmen’s group, in particular nothing from the Illinois Bowhunters association?
Sounds like a “Done Deal” between money and politics once again but at least they didn’t just try dumping across the board crossbow use ONLY into the bow season!

62 not a bad age and not far from S.S. collection qualification = ok to use a crossgun as I have been saying all along.
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Crossgun?? You quoted Bednar from 10 pt. How about Bowtech, PSE, Darton and the rest of the "double breasted" archery mfgrs??

Tell ya what. Gotta little challenge for ya. I'm going to be at Eagle's Wing archery, Lenoir City, Tn on 09/08/07 for a benefit shoot for Mark O'brien from NY that can't hunt in NY w/ xbow. Get somebody off of Tn Bowsite to show up w/ a compound around 50 # pull, at least 65% let off and I'll even pay their freight so they don't have to contribute to a xbow fund raiser, and we'll trade bows for a couple of shots at 30 yds. I'm left handed and will shoot their right handed vert which I haven't shot a vert since 1989 and we'll see if xbows are the can of corn y'all think they are. No tricks, gimmicks or games, gentlemans agreement on sights being honest. Wanna play??

 

I'm also not in the habit of making up stories. I was merely regurgitating what was told to me.

I didn't say you made it up, I think he did, in fact, here is my quote...

Don't know who told you that, but my guess is he was blowing smoke

. After reading that from me, why would you say I accused you of making it up? [confused]

You said you talked to "the guy"...well, who was he? Did "the guy" even work there, or was he just another customer? Was he the janitor, stock boy, work the register, or what? My brother is still a manager for Dicks, just at another location...they are not planning on stocking, or "getting" any crossbows any time soon. Besides, why would you believe this from "the guy" who said they (crossbows) will be introduced this year, when the regulation books have already hit the stores, the season starts in a few days and there is no mention of it in the regs?

Sorry Doug, but there was no smoke there. The guy was about 5'-11" maybe 6', carrying a couple extra pounds and a crew cut; well maybe going bald. I don't know his name sorry....

Doug, just because your brother worked there doesn't mean he knows everything.

Let's examine that again...your informant, known as "the guy", tells you that "they (Dicks) are supposed to start stocking up on crossbow inventory. They were told by the state that it was going to be intraduced to archery season this year" On the other hand, we have the store manager saying no one has told them to start stocking up on crossbows, or even said anything about getting crossbows, and the regulations for this year are already out, with no new rules pertaining to crossbows, and the season begins in a few days. [confused][confused] Oh what a dilema, who to believe, who to believe...the store manager and the State regulations already in print, or "the guy". [eyeroll][hihi][hihi]

I believe you were just regurgitating what was told to you, problem is, what was told to you was false, that is all I posted. I was just trying to give you the correct info.

 

Crossgun?? You quoted Bednar from 10 pt. How about Bowtech, PSE, Darton and the rest of the "double breasted" archery mfgrs??

Tell ya what. Gotta little challenge for ya. I'm going to be at Eagle's Wing archery, Lenoir City, Tn on 09/08/07 for a benefit shoot for Mark O'brien from NY that can't hunt in NY w/ xbow. Get somebody off of Tn Bowsite to show up w/ a compound around 50 # pull, at least 65% let off and I'll even pay their freight so they don't have to contribute to a xbow fund raiser, and we'll trade bows for a couple of shots at 30 yds. I'm left handed and will shoot their right handed vert which I haven't shot a vert since 1989 and we'll see if xbows are the can of corn y'all think they are. No tricks, gimmicks or games, gentlemans agreement on sights being honest. Wanna play??

??? What are you talking about?

If that was directed at me please let me say unlike many who post here on the NJ hunter . com website (Crossbow forum) I am from NJ but I do not travel around the country in person or in cyberspace promoting a specific weapon to use during BOWHUNTING SEASON I just assume you are to use a BOW and that your home state is your home state.
Other than for cororate greed I do not know why people from so many other states need to come here and push a cororate ajenda.
Either way good luck in helping the hadicapped with any effort to keep them in the woods enjoying things.
I assume that your intentions are pure in doing so and that you are not using that poor fellow as mearly a poster boy for a differant end.

 

??? What are you talking about?

If that was directed at me please let me say unlike many who post here on the NJ hunter . com website (Crossbow forum) I am from NJ but I do not travel around the country in person or in cyberspace promoting a specific weapon to use during BOWHUNTING SEASON I just assume you are to use a BOW and that your home state is your home state.
Other than for cororate greed I do not know why people from so many other states need to come here and push a cororate ajenda.
Either way good luck in helping the hadicapped with any effort to keep them in the woods enjoying things.
I assume that your intentions are pure in doing so and that you are not using that poor fellow as mearly a poster boy for a differant end.

Well Jake, since I quoted you I guess you could surmise it was directed at you. Yes, corporate agendas are to sell products, wanted to show several well known vert corporations are now on the xbow band wagon.

If you think back a bit, you may recall we support all archery equipment in all archery seasons.

While I would enjoy meeting you and JimIV, I realize due to time and distance that's probably not going to happen, if for no other reason than to watch you guys put those recurves through their paces, so to speak. No sarcasm intended, btw.

If anyone has made Mr. O'Brien a poster boy, the hands down winner would be NY state, but your assumption was correct.

 

Other than for cororate greed I do not know why people from so many other states need to come here and push a cororate ajenda.

Who would buy the crossbows? IF there is no desire from consumers, there is no market...

 

Who would buy the crossbows? IF there is no desire from consumers, there is no market...

Thanks Ace I have been saying that for a while now I can't speak for other states but here in NJ I do not see ANY crossbow orgs. that are member orgs. of the State Federation of Sportsmens clubs asking for a crossbow season or even inclusion into any of the other seasons that could be a general seasons(Shotgun ONLY or ML Only) only a few greedy soles and cororate types looking to push them into the early bowseasons and sell extra buck tags to the non archer.
Hey Remington makes RPG's yet so far we have not had their exec's. coming here pushing for "Inclusion"; well not yet anyway.
Oh and for sure the "Inclusion" cry did not come from the UBNJ either is the state bowhunters org. in Ill. requesting that there be an across the board "inclusion" of crossbows into the Ill. bow season (with bonus bucktags that do not count against ones shotgun and ML buck tags?).

 

JB, it's the "norm" for state and National bow groups to oppose crossbows in archery seasons, the problem for them is, they have NO sound reason(s) to back that stance...they don't want them, and that is simply not good enough for the vast majority , they have "excuses" that simply have not held up to the test of facts,data and reality!

At any rate, for the time being I'm focused mainly on trying to help stop those two NJ bills, am doing everything I can think of to gain support to defeat them both.

Crossbows or any other weapons won't matter IF we let the Anti Hunters win this battle, again it's time to unite together against the REAL enemies of hunting/fishing/trapping and it's not those who support crossbow inclusion in any form. In fact most people who support them are already archery hunters!

WE (sportsmen/women) have some serious obstacles ahead of us, and hunter number decline isn't making it any easier to win. That is one of the many reasons why I support crossbow inclusion, hunter recruitment and retention, things we NEED now more than ever!

 

Creat a wedge than state that you are the cure for the problems you have caused nice plan.
Ace "vast majority" my Ace
if the pro-dumping crossbows into the bowseason is the majority than they should be repersented in our federation in a far greater number than UBNJ members yet for now they are not even a member org. go figure.

 

JB, With all due respect, it seems to me that you have had a large hand in creating that wedge between fellow hunters. [sad]

If those 2 bills are NOT defeated, you will have relinquished your control to the anti's!![wallmad]
EVERY hunter needs to fight the anti's as ONE group!![up]
NOTHING ELSE SHOULD MATTER AT THIS TIME!![wallmad][wallmad]

 

Sounds like a “Done Deal” between money and politics once again but at least they didn’t just try dumping across the board crossbow use ONLY into the bow season!

I can promise you TenPoint did NOTHING to get this bill initiated or passed. I can also promise you TenPoint did not SPEND a PENNY in the issue! The bill did not drop one vote in comittee or in the general vote of EITHER house for EITHER party. It makes sense and it is the right thing to do. It keeps guys hunting and it will not hurt the resource.
Don't assume you know something when you don't.

I can also say , having worked for Dick's Sporting goods for 7 years as a manager, that the stores know very little about what they are getting until or after it shows up. Your brother may be a great manager, but if they don't tell him, he won't know.

Randy Wood
National Sales Manager
TenPoint Crossbow Technologies

 

JB, With all due respect, it seems to me that you have had a large hand in creating that wedge between fellow hunters.

More BS from an out of stater?
Those bills sat on the books for how long?
How many other ones just like it sat there too?
Just like a sales person LOOK FOR A BLAME TARGET than claim to be the solution to the problem.
You should be asamed of yourself.

Also as former legislative rep for the UBNJ I know first hand what I'm talking about with those bills and the people behind them.
Those of you coming from out of state selling something see this as only a tool for YOUR use SHAME on you!!!!

 

JB, With all due respect, it seems to me that you have had a large hand in creating that wedge between fellow hunters.

This was MY statement to you. I live in NJ!! Am deeply concerned about those bills. I do NOT want the ANTI'S to control the council, at ANY expense!!

 

This was MY statement to you. I live in NJ!! Am deeply concerned about those bills. I do NOT want the ANTI'S to control the council, at ANY expense!!

So your method is to shuve crossbows into the fall bowseasons?!?! Than after setting that house on fire look to blame somebody....Sober up and we will talk.

 

Sober up and we will talk.

Uncalled for. You quoted her as an out of stater, man up and admit it.

The various bow groups have had about 30 years to organize. You guys lost a battle when they brought out compounds, and for that reason, you'll lose this one too.

 

Uncalled for. You quoted her as an out of stater, man up and admit it.

Thank you!!

Sober up and we will talk.

JB, this is not only uncalled for, but totally against me, personally. I expect an apology from you, but you never cease to amaze me as to just HOW LOW YOU WILL GO!! How dare you smear my character!! Your selfish attitude is bad for ALL NJ hunters!!

 

Because it's taking longer than ever for the Division of Fish and Wildlife to be allowed to get a code published, crossbow hunting couldn't start before 2008.

As you can see, I knew it wouldn't be this season....as should most.

Ace "vast majority" my Ace

Once again proving how much you don't know or realize/understand, IF you think the "vast majority"(which are the gun hunters) Oppose crossbow inclusion, that's fine by me, but no reason to insult everyone ....

I'll say it again JB....."we don't want them" is not good enough for the vast majority, refute it IF you can.....

I've tried to explain this several times and the reasons why crossbows ARE coming, you may not like it, but more will than those who think it's "the end", NO one is forced to use one, switch to one, or even hold one.....

Now, IF WE can defeat those two stupid bills, that risk it ALL (which IS much bigger than any archery weapon choice ever could be)......maybe, just perhaps there will be a future for hunting/fishing/trapping in NJ.......Until then, none of this really matters does it?

We will need unity and working together to do that.....

But we can all see, division and fighting is what you are "all about",what you seem to crave; from everything from your insults to your insulting to gun hunters sig line.....and your other one, YOU should really ask yourself how much you post is based upon facts...(can YOU prove what you keep saying??? Sure doesn't look like it from here, tenpoint set the record straight and refuted your claims)..as you've been told so many times, the crossbow folks are not behind this, HUNTERS want the choice, I'm betting they'll get it sooner than you think!

Create a wedge

Exactly what you're doing, have been doing, and seem to enjoy doing! Sad thing is , NOW is not the time for such things, IF there ever is one, it's most certainly not now....(and I don't think there really ever is a good time to do so).

Also as former legislative rep for the UBNJ I know first hand what I'm talking about with those bills and the people behind them.

Maybe, maybe not, what is certain that everyone here has at least had the chance to see how many of the anti crossbow crowd vowed to join the Anti Hunters on these bills ,(perhaps out of sheer anger or disappointments, still, that is damaging to all sportsmen/women when that takes place) over of all things, the F&G Council looking into crossbow inclusion.....

 

Sell sell sell shamelessly Ace thats what you do.

 

Fight, argue and insult, jakesbeard that is ALL that you shamelessly do........

THAT is all you have to say , knowing you and many of your group vowed to join the Anti Hunters on these two bills???? [down]