Went to the Sportsmens center in Bordentown to help a buddy pick out a Matthew's bow.They don't carry Matthews anymore.O well Harry's was glad to take the 1000.00 dollars.
Bye,Bye matthews bow's.
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The helium was not a failure by any means. Its pretty hard to top the z7 extreme. People were expecting a lot more as it was their anniversary bow. I think It does not shoot any better than the z7 other than less recoil and it is a little lighter. You can get the same results from your z7 by changing the arrow stop with one of the newer ones with the damper. I Tried one on my bow and they do make a difference. Me personally I always thought the bow(z7) shot better without a stabilizer as the arrow stop is adding the weight along the same axis as a stabilizer does. As far as sportsmans ceasing to carry Matthews due to the fact that they are lacking in technology is a pretty hard statement to swallow. They (matthews)expect there vendors to move the bows and want you to maintain a rather large inventory I think that has more to do with it than anything.
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Exactly! They seemed to have more Hoyt and Bowtechs lately. Mathews cannot be lacking in technology when you see other bow manufacturers jumping on parallel limb design, harmonic dampeners (which in turn created a number of different dampening accessories) slim limbs, roller guards, string suppressors, etc. Basically Mathews is like the Yankees, haters gonna hate success.
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I bought my Z7 extreme from Sportsman center and had them set it up. They did a great job setting it up and they archery guys know what their doing. My earlier comment was on the lack of stock and variety on the shelves.I think they need to improve their inventory. I noticed this trend since they did away with the whitail jamboree.
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Will, here's a cut n paste from another thread. You can search dual v. single cams and read all day. Singles address a problem that doesn't exsist....marketing at it's best
"It is important to me to squash a popular misconception that was, unfortunately, promoted by Mathews as a sales gimick. I am talking about timing and single cams. They DO need to be timed!
Duals need to be synchronized to each other AND timed to the bow. Singles need to be timed to the bow. Many Mathews have two small holes in the cam which, when properly timed, line up paralell with the string. That is timing. They will not develop best performance when that is not set correctly.
Most singles will still shoot fine when there is excessive stretch but will not develop full draw weight.
Binary cams are slaved to each other and will still shoot fine with significant stretch because it is absorbed evenly into both sides of the system.
Duals are different because they have cables attached to the limb instead of anchored to the other cam, as in binary. Duals could have differnces in the effect of stretch but are also very easy to adjust and, as mentioned, with todays new stable string materials single cams are the answer to a nonexistant problem.
Buss cables in any system is where the most tension is and so they tend to stretch the most. Dual and Binary systems have two to share the same load. In single cam and cam.5 systems there is only one buss.
As for nock travel, I find duals easiest to control. Some bows have straight nock travel but it is uphill! (Or downhill.) Others have a small lump in the nock path. A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
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"It is important to me to squash a popular misconception that was, unfortunately, promoted by Mathews as a sales gimick. I am talking about timing and single cams. They DO need to be timed!
Duals need to be synchronized to each other AND timed to the bow. Singles need to be timed to the bow. Many Mathews have two small holes in the cam which, when properly timed, line up paralell with the string. That is timing. They will not develop best performance when that is not set correctly.
Most singles will still shoot fine when there is excessive stretch but will not develop full draw weight.
Binary cams are slaved to each other and will still shoot fine with significant stretch because it is absorbed evenly into both sides of the system.
Duals are different because they have cables attached to the limb instead of anchored to the other cam, as in binary. Duals could have differnces in the effect of stretch but are also very easy to adjust and, as mentioned, with todays new stable string materials single cams are the answer to a nonexistant problem.
Buss cables in any system is where the most tension is and so they tend to stretch the most. Dual and Binary systems have two to share the same load. In single cam and cam.5 systems there is only one buss.
As for nock travel, I find duals easiest to control. Some bows have straight nock travel but it is uphill! (Or downhill.) Others have a small lump in the nock path. A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
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I still don't see why the statement of "Why in the hell would anyone want a single cam bow."
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Do you believe everything you read??
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This isn't yesterdays news guys.
I'm really surprised to see people still touting single cams.
What advantage could u possibly get w/a single cam v. a binary system??
I'm really surprised to see people still touting single cams.
What advantage could u possibly get w/a single cam v. a binary system??
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A: A Mathews....[lol]
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I think it really depends on the bow and personal comfort. As to timing, there's no arguing both need it, but so what? I disagree with what the guy's opinion is, since I find single cams easier to draw (in general). Most binary guys I know are also speed freaks. So I give up a little speed with the singles. And these discussions are always on archery talk and end up going nowhere. Each has it stregnths and weaknesses. In the end, it's a matter of preference.
constantly reinventing the the wheel you might miss a spoke once in a while. JMHO
Well it seems they like to reinvent the same wheel over and over without any major advancements. Like riding their success on their well known name.
Just like Rage BH's... People know the name and are pounded with Mathews commercials. I own a Mathews but if I was buying a new bow I would look elsewhere.
A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
I agree but most people do not know how to work on their own bows, nor do they have the equipment.
Sportsman Center never seems to be fully stocked, why is this? And I will agree they do push what they have on the shelves even if its not what you came in for. I cant see SC not selling enough Mathews bows as there are much smaller shops with less in stock. So obviously there is a true reason as to why they stopped carrying them.
Also they sold a boat load of Mathews and now all of a sudden they are considered crap bows by SC. Well why did you sell them to people? If the excuse is they lack new technology then why did you sell them? Your basically telling a person who recently bought a Mathews from you that they suck.
With all the space SC has it should be filled with merchandise! I dont get it... Like others stated if your going to have to order
Well it seems they like to reinvent the same wheel over and over without any major advancements. Like riding their success on their well known name.
Just like Rage BH's... People know the name and are pounded with Mathews commercials. I own a Mathews but if I was buying a new bow I would look elsewhere.
A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
I agree but most people do not know how to work on their own bows, nor do they have the equipment.
Sportsman Center never seems to be fully stocked, why is this? And I will agree they do push what they have on the shelves even if its not what you came in for. I cant see SC not selling enough Mathews bows as there are much smaller shops with less in stock. So obviously there is a true reason as to why they stopped carrying them.
Also they sold a boat load of Mathews and now all of a sudden they are considered crap bows by SC. Well why did you sell them to people? If the excuse is they lack new technology then why did you sell them? Your basically telling a person who recently bought a Mathews from you that they suck.
With all the space SC has it should be filled with merchandise! I dont get it... Like others stated if your going to have to order
constantly reinventing the the wheel you might miss a spoke once in a while. JMHO
Well it seems they like to reinvent the same wheel over and over without any major advancements. Like riding their success on their well known name.
Just like Rage BH's... People know the name and are pounded with Mathews commercials. I own a Mathews but if I was buying a new bow I would look elsewhere.
A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
I agree but most people do not know how to work on their own bows, nor do they have the equipment.
Sportsman Center never seems to be fully stocked, why is this? And I will agree they do push what they have on the shelves even if its not what you came in for. I cant see SC not selling enough Mathews bows as there are much smaller shops with less in stock. So obviously there is a true reason as to why they stopped carrying them.
Also they sold a boat load of Mathews and now all of a sudden they are considered crap bows by SC. Well why did you sell them to people? If the excuse is they lack new technology then why did you sell them? Your basically telling a person who recently bought a Mathews from you that they suck.
With all the space SC has it should be filled with merchandise! I dont get it... Like others stated if your going to have to order anyway why go there? You can find almost every single item far cheaper online.
They should carry a lot of product and customer service should be #1 esp at the prices they charge.
Well it seems they like to reinvent the same wheel over and over without any major advancements. Like riding their success on their well known name.
Just like Rage BH's... People know the name and are pounded with Mathews commercials. I own a Mathews but if I was buying a new bow I would look elsewhere.
A perfectly straight, level nock path is the most desirable and I believe that dual and binary systems are easier to tune than any others.
I agree but most people do not know how to work on their own bows, nor do they have the equipment.
Sportsman Center never seems to be fully stocked, why is this? And I will agree they do push what they have on the shelves even if its not what you came in for. I cant see SC not selling enough Mathews bows as there are much smaller shops with less in stock. So obviously there is a true reason as to why they stopped carrying them.
Also they sold a boat load of Mathews and now all of a sudden they are considered crap bows by SC. Well why did you sell them to people? If the excuse is they lack new technology then why did you sell them? Your basically telling a person who recently bought a Mathews from you that they suck.
With all the space SC has it should be filled with merchandise! I dont get it... Like others stated if your going to have to order anyway why go there? You can find almost every single item far cheaper online.
They should carry a lot of product and customer service should be #1 esp at the prices they charge.
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Consider the obvious: they probably make more money (margin) selling brands other than Mathews, so that is what they push.
The place has been going down hill for a while with the stock- or lack thereof in the last few years.
If it wasn't for the bow techs that place probably would be out of business by now. [ninja]
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Will,
How easy a bow is to draw is not a function of single or dual cams. My old mq32 was a dream to pull back, the legacy was a nightmare...very aggresive cam.
I have an elite gt500 which is not fun to draw or hold. I just picked up a 2010 z28 and there is no smoother draw curve available. I think w/elite's new hunter and the popularity of the z28 they are proving that speed can and will take a back seat to shootabilty.
If you've got a shoulder like mine n want a bow u can draw comfortably you should look at Elites hunter or find a z28.
How easy a bow is to draw is not a function of single or dual cams. My old mq32 was a dream to pull back, the legacy was a nightmare...very aggresive cam.
I have an elite gt500 which is not fun to draw or hold. I just picked up a 2010 z28 and there is no smoother draw curve available. I think w/elite's new hunter and the popularity of the z28 they are proving that speed can and will take a back seat to shootabilty.
If you've got a shoulder like mine n want a bow u can draw comfortably you should look at Elites hunter or find a z28.
so true.. thats why i shot about 10 bows and settled for the Icon.. so smooth & still shoots great..killed alot of deer with it. now its gonna be the back up/turkey bow.. z7ex or the z9 is next,but again i will shoot alot of bows at A & M before i buy..
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Then why do many people find the single cam easier to draw back and quieter? The actual geometry of the cam system determines how soft or aggressive the powerstroke will be.
Single cams are also the most sold bows on the market and the Legacy was one bad apple out of how many? I just think saying "Why in the hell would anyone want a single cam bow" and copying a post from "Bowsite" is not a valid reason to make such a statement.
I do have a damaged rotator cuff and use single cam Parker which is exceptionally smooth. Clearly you like your Elite and it looks like a great bow, but before you knock single cams, if you’ve never tried a Blackhawk EZ Draw (among others), you should. Again, it comes down to personal preference.
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truth be told
in order for sc to have mathews it was always cod only, so that elimnates they did not pay there bill
truth be told they where not selling the qouta that mathews wanted to be sold, so they pulled there bows
u are not going to find a better bunch of guys working on your bows then at sc
truth be told
in order for sc to have mathews it was always cod only, so that elimnates they did not pay there bill
truth be told they where not selling the qouta that mathews wanted to be sold, so they pulled there bows
u are not going to find a better bunch of guys working on your bows then at sc
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I'm not loyal to any one brand.
The legacy wasn't a bad bow, all's I'm sayin is u had to pay a price for the speed that cam delivered. Same is true for whatever configuration u choose; single, dual or binary.
The legacy wasn't a bad bow, all's I'm sayin is u had to pay a price for the speed that cam delivered. Same is true for whatever configuration u choose; single, dual or binary.
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