Guys, give your thoughts on what you feel would be best to make us all happy, and to make the herd healthier with bigger bucks
Your thoughts on proposed changes for NJ deer herd
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I like the sound of two, and make a third tag available for purchase...a "quality" buck tag like Delaware has.
Bad idea, the zones are already small enough that you can't hunt down the street in most places without buying another permit. I have one place I'm allowed to hunt that is split by two zones. To hunt the whole property I have access to, I need to buy two permits. That is just plain ridiculous.
I'd like to see hunters get one "any buck" tag, again, like Delaware. Hunters and biologists alike are coming to the realization that antler point restrictions are not all they were cracked up to be. For more on that read the latest issue of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. On principle, I disagree with a mandatory statewide point restriction.
I agree there.
I agree there too, but the problem is, who is going to say herds need to be increased? Right now, the state is in either reduce, or maintain herd levels mode, so it's not likely they would do this. The best way to increase populations without turning away hunters is too limit the number of tags and gun days.
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Good one, the Division working with UBNJ is getting this done.
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The week of gun season is the worst week of the year for many of us. It's all I can do to keep trespasser off for 6 days, and I'm worn out when it's over, just in time for permit gun season where I have to do it all over again. Besides, it's contradictory to good deer management to have long gun seasons. Unless you don't consider Iowa, Illinios and Ohio as having good deer management. Short gun seasons are the way to ensure more mature deer...period.
I'll add a few of my own.
--Prohibit baiting on public land. Baiting was first instituted as a management tool to assist hunters in drawing deer out from unhuntable area's to places they could be hunted, to help reduce the over populated deer herds. That is not necessary on WMA's because no WMA I'm aware of has too many deer. Baiting causes more territorial issues then just leaving a stand in a tree, and therefore effects the quality of the hunt on public land.
--Prohibit driving on WMA's, except for the last 3 days of 6-day firearm season. I know that will not be poplular with many clubs, but WMA's are not just for gun hunters in clubs...they are for all hunters. If you have ever tried to stand hunt on a WMA during gun season, you know what I mean. Clubs completely take over a WMA when they come in with 60 to 80 guys and drive it all day. And often times, when one club leaves, another comes in behind them. When that happens, the only people afforded hunting opportunity on public land is the clubs.
Most clubs have private land they can hunt, so let them drive that for the first few days, and give the rest of the hunting public a chance to hunt public land. The last 3 days, let them drive it all they want. By then, most guys have had a chance, and can't complain about a club messing them up. Clubs would still be permitted to hunt WMA's on the first 3 days, just not drive it, so that way, no one is being denied the opportunity to hunt public land.
--I would also like to see them sell permits by regulation set, not zone. The zones in a set all have the same rules, and since there is no limit on deer in most sets, and no limit on permits, why do they sell them by zones? It used to be a lottery was used to control the number of hunters in a zone, and the number of deer taken, but now, there are no such controls because permits and bag limits are unlimited. Therefore, there is no need to sell permits by zone.
Sell the hunting permits by Set, and include one buck and one doe tag. For regulation sets where antlerless deer numbers are high, and bag limits non-existent, after one (or two, depending on the set and it's specific management goals)antlerless tag is filled, offer doe tags for sale at the cost of $7.50, or $10.00 each, whatever they deem appropriate. That way, you make up the revenue lost by selling less permits, and still have an avenue for hunters to take the antlerless deer out of the herd to maintian reduction or stablization efforts.
In area's where hunters have alot of deer, and a good chance of killing them, they will buy the permits. In places where the numbers seem to be down, hunters will not likely buy the extra tag if they don't think they can fill it, and in that manner, you are limiting the number of deer taken, and the number of hunters afield. Both would result in a higher quality experience for those who do go out.
--Eliminate permit shot gun altogether, allow hunters to use the $10.00 doe tags during 6-day firearm. This will also spare some bucks as some hunters will choose to shoot a doe, sparing the buck that may have been coming down the trail next.
No offence Matt but I like BHC's Changes the best.
Also as was said GET RID OF THE PERMIT FOR BOW....I paid for a liscence it should be good until slobgun season.
6 days is plenty for Slobgun...I also have to much aggrivation keeping people off my land!
Also as was said GET RID OF THE PERMIT FOR BOW....I paid for a liscence it should be good until slobgun season.
6 days is plenty for Slobgun...I also have to much aggrivation keeping people off my land!
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·you need a cop around to arrest these jerks...hint hint
Most states, you can only take one buck per year, no matter what season you get it in. You all have been spoiled by the NJ laws for deer hunting!!!!! You mean to tell me you NEED to take more than 1 buck??? if you take one buck per year, and have antler restrictions statewide, YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE!!!! Take it from me, since I come from PA have seen it my whole life!!!!
If you saw what I did when I confronted 18 guys by myself last week you would say..."You are doing fine all on your own"
My wife ran out to get between me and the Commander and Chief of the Pumpkin Army that was trespassing on my land. Matt and his Uncle Frank didn't even have to get out of their truck as I had it under MY CONTROL![up] The neighbor came out after it was over and said what happened? I said Just a little TCB (taken care of Business)thats all
My wife ran out to get between me and the Commander and Chief of the Pumpkin Army that was trespassing on my land. Matt and his Uncle Frank didn't even have to get out of their truck as I had it under MY CONTROL![up] The neighbor came out after it was over and said what happened? I said Just a little TCB (taken care of Business)thats all
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·Any of you guys have the latest issue of DEER & DEER HUNTING? There is a article about IOWA, how IOWA produces numerous trophy bucks year in year out. They protect the bucks, there gun season is at the same time as ours, they don't hunt there bucks hard with firearms, which saves a good % of bucks for the next year, they limit nonresidents hunters every year using a lottery system
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But the problem here in NJ and with most of the hunters here, is they can't just be satisfied with one Buck per year!!!!! they need one during archery, one during shotgun, one during muzzy, one during grandmothers day, etc, etc!!!! Not trying to cause a problem, but almost all replies haven been 2 or more Bucks!!!! you really need that many bucks!! shot does!!!
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·I would say 2 bucks per hunting season but there must be antler restrictions in place 3 or 4 pointer to oneside
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Iowa residents are allowed 3 bucks, Illinios 2 bucks. Ohio is a one buck state, but they have a bunch more hunters than Iowa, so it needs to be more limited. The reason it works is the timing of the gun season, and the length of it...meaning very short gun seasons.
One reason NJ will need to allow 2 or 3 buck tags is because we still need to take does in alot of area's, and if guys can't kill a buck, they are not as likely to go hunting for just does. They need to have that buck tag in their pocket to get them out in the woods, where they will take more does.
1. Keep EAB (may need to be controlled according to need or lack of it in certain areas).
2. 1 buck per yr (total for all hunting seasons)Hunters here in NJ are spoiled. Look at the suggestions here. 2, 2 with a bonus, 1 per season making it 3-4 etc.
3. 3 pts or better state wide
4. Control the total population in certain areas as needed by the use of unlimited antlerless zones.
5. Bow hunting on Sundays. My thinking is we have a better chance to get the bow in first and then go for gun rather than trying to get it all at once.
2. 1 buck per yr (total for all hunting seasons)Hunters here in NJ are spoiled. Look at the suggestions here. 2, 2 with a bonus, 1 per season making it 3-4 etc.
3. 3 pts or better state wide
4. Control the total population in certain areas as needed by the use of unlimited antlerless zones.
5. Bow hunting on Sundays. My thinking is we have a better chance to get the bow in first and then go for gun rather than trying to get it all at once.
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We need to keep this simple... and not "extreme"... or else F&W will not go for it. (They probably won't anyway... but if we get enough of us and mobilize...)
So maybe our first items should be:
1. Two bucks per year (any weapon).
2. Statewide AR (at least 3 points on one side).
3. Button bucks do NOT count towards EAB/BAD.
4. If archery overlaps with 6-day... then EAB ends opening day of 6-day.
I say the heck with the old timers... new school is here... new ideas.
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So maybe our first items should be:
1. Two bucks per year (any weapon).
2. Statewide AR (at least 3 points on one side).
3. Button bucks do NOT count towards EAB/BAD.
4. If archery overlaps with 6-day... then EAB ends opening day of 6-day.
I say the heck with the old timers... new school is here... new ideas.
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I like the idea of rotating out firearm seasons.
On a side note; Someone mentioned who or what determines when a zone has been overharvested.
Currently zone 1 is an overharvested zone according to NJDFW. However, nothing is really done to limit the harvest there. It has the most restricted set of rules, and yet each hunter can still shoot quite a few deer, twelve I believe.
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I think we need to keep this for the shotgun only guys. They will all flip! Plus...the F&W Council will not go for the 1 buck per year thing... yet.... probably because they think the shotgun only guys won't purchase their firearm license (normally these guys just pay the $27.50 and thats it).
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The guys that want to shotgun hunt will buy the lic and go no matter if they can shoot 1 or 2. Let's not try to rationalize more bucks.
If you want to make it 2, then make it like it used to be yrs ago. 1 with the bow and 1 with the gun. That way the bow hunters don't get the advantage of shooting 2 nice bucks each before the gun hunters.
Now that should get some around here going.
If you want to make it 2, then make it like it used to be yrs ago. 1 with the bow and 1 with the gun. That way the bow hunters don't get the advantage of shooting 2 nice bucks each before the gun hunters.
Now that should get some around here going.
another problem with nj deer management is not with the F&G but with the state. F&G does not receive any money from the state and subsists on license/permit fees only which is why there is permit fees for everything under the sun. they fear license/permit sales will fall if harvest limits are too restricted. just my 2 cents
Rotating-out gun zones, or land within 'gun-out' zones looks cumbersome but if applied it could protect or produce trophy areas. This would reduce the 'drive' pressure.
Conversely - areas that are under-hunted could be bonused by rotating 'gun-in' on a limited draw.
Conversely - areas that are under-hunted could be bonused by rotating 'gun-in' on a limited draw.
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·2 bucks per hunter in a given year.....you use it anytime as long as bucks are still legal to take. Take a buck during archery season, and take your 2nd with the smokepole, well your done, no shotgun hunting for the week. you skip the smokepole season, then your good to go for the shotgun season. Permit Shotgun season bucks should be off limits
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It seems everyone has such a different idea as to what is right for deer management. I remember trying to please everyone last time with this stuff and I became VERY FRUSTRATED.
Its great to see all the ideas, and as much as I would love for most of them to be incorporated, it probably wont happen. The changes we are looking to bring about are extreme in the eye of most "average hunters".
Think about it, these are the people that dont eat, breathe and $**T this stuff like we do. Imagine them walking into Sports Authority three weeks before the season opener, grabbing a copy of next years digest and reading that they can only kill one buck all season now. Theyd flip.
NJDFW is already in a financial lull, a drastic change that may reduce license/permit sales is probably not something they are going to want to try out now.
Keep giving all the ideas though, Im sure we can put together something that will be considered.
Its great to see all the ideas, and as much as I would love for most of them to be incorporated, it probably wont happen. The changes we are looking to bring about are extreme in the eye of most "average hunters".
Think about it, these are the people that dont eat, breathe and $**T this stuff like we do. Imagine them walking into Sports Authority three weeks before the season opener, grabbing a copy of next years digest and reading that they can only kill one buck all season now. Theyd flip.
NJDFW is already in a financial lull, a drastic change that may reduce license/permit sales is probably not something they are going to want to try out now.
Keep giving all the ideas though, Im sure we can put together something that will be considered.
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