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#61 ·
All of these mass shooting are a real shame, and it brakes my heart, but the first thing they all start with is gun control, all the gun control in the world will not stop this, when they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, if someone wants to cat nuts, if they don`t have any guns they will just rob someones house and get one, or more, they need guards in the schools with a gun and if someone pulls a gun shoot to kill, after they take out a few that crap will stop. gun control has not one thing to do with it.
 
#62 ·
deadonshot said:
I am not blaming the gun. I am blaming the system that allows such individuals as this kid to buy a gun. A better background check (look at how much info we got in less then 24 hours after the crime) would eliminate a lot of these mass shooters from acquiring these weapons legally.
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We had the SAME EXACT information about this lunatic days, weeks and months before he did this. NOBODY DID ANYTHING!
 
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#67 ·
Yury The Red said:
The saying goes that liberalism is a mental disorder and given recent events in our once proud land that saying is quite to point. Just a few short years ago a gun could be purchased from a catalog or ordered from the back of a magazine. Children were bullied, fought made up and fought again all without even a slight thought of gun play. Older shows did involve guns and shootings ( The Rifleman is still a favorite of mine ) but not arbitrary, senseless violence. There was a lesson to the use of the gun and the good guy always won. Adulthood began in our twenties, for those who served, in began in their teens. Adults had children. Children did not have children and if they did it was not a reason for celebration.

Two and three year olds did not have phones. Hollywood actually produced G rated movies and children did not go to R rated flicks. Stars acted and shut up. The media reported the news, they did not create it. There was a mens room and a womens room. There were two medically acknowledged sexes. The mentally ill were committed well before they could hurt others. And so on and on and on. America was never perfect. We had flaws for sure.

Then along came liberalism and here we are.
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I agree with this completely, and would add that children were accountable for their actions. Parents were allowed to discipline their children and were the first ones to make sure their children didn't step out of line. Growing up I was always "guilty until proven innocent" with my parents, they held me accountable and supported the teachers, police or anyone else that I interacted with. Too many parents today cry "not my kid" every time junior stepped out of line.

Because of this too many schools choose not to discipline kids but instead just keep moving them along the system. A young man was caught in an area high school with an illegal handgun in class, the administration gave him a 1 year suspension. My wife works in the school system and she sees it every day, kids who should rightfully be suspended, or even expelled don't even get a phone call home to mommy or daddy because it does nothing any more except causes mommy & daddy to proclaim their demon as an angel and attack the teachers or administrators.
 
#68 ·
While I appreciate your argument it is and Apple to Orange comparison. It is much easier to fire off thirty rounds then start a fire.
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"Apples to Oranges" ... You're joking, right?

Mass murder is mass murder, plain and simple.

And, while we're at it, I'd submit that splashing a gallon of gasoline along a stairwell & lighting a match takes infinitely less skill that accurately hitting multiple victims with rifle fire. Not to mention that there's no permits, background checks or waiting periods needed to buy gasoline ... unless that's your next proposal.
 
#69 ·
jm1827 said:
I agree with this completely, and would add that children were accountable for their actions. Parents were allowed to discipline their children and were the first ones to make sure their children didn't step out of line. Growing up I was always "guilty until proven innocent" with my parents, they held me accountable and supported the teachers, police or anyone else that I interacted with. Too many parents today cry "not my kid" every time junior stepped out of line.

Because of this too many schools choose not to discipline kids but instead just keep moving them along the system. A young man was caught in an area high school with an illegal handgun in class, the administration gave him a 1 year suspension. My wife works in the school system and she sees it every day, kids who should rightfully be suspended, or even expelled don't even get a phone call home to mommy or daddy because it does nothing any more except causes mommy & daddy to proclaim their demon as an angel and attack the teachers or administrators.
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I will add to this our justice system. There was a time in this country that the punishment fit the crime and minimum sentences were enforced for crimes. Today they are so set on rehab that probation and plea deals are handed out like candy. There is no deterrent. The current shooter was told to plead guilty to take the death penalty off the table. I say bull. All of the mass shooters that were not killed by police or kill them selves not one of them was sentenced to death. Life in prison is the punishment. All in states that have the death penalty. There is no recourse four action s any more. Enforce current laws and make them be the deterrent for these acts. Also stop making these scumbags famous. Stop making days of news about it don't say there name.
 
#70 ·
loaded4bear said:
"Apples to Oranges" ... You're joking, right?

Mass murder is mass murder, plain and simple.

And, while we're at it, I'd submit that splashing a gallon of gasoline along a stairwell & lighting a match takes infinitely less skill that accurately hitting multiple victims with rifle fire. Not to mention that there's no permits, background checks or waiting periods needed to buy gasoline ... unless that's your next proposal.
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Murder is murder on that you are correct but the means of mass murder there lay the difference. Cannot recall recent headlines involving killings and gasoline but guns and in particular " Assault Weapons " that is a different story. The mass murder of those in a night club is indeed a horror but it was not followed by additional murders with the same weapon. Also ones assumption of safety in an illegal nightclub is quite different from that of children in school. It's not a matter of MY next proposal and obviously we are not going to ban gasoline.

Unless something, even minor at this point, is not done in regards to these events the next proposal and action will indeed be a complete ban and perhaps confiscation. Trust me all those who claim the typical clichés like " from my cold dead hands " and " bring it on " will just a willfully hand over their guns as the Germans, Chinese and others have done throughout history.
 
#71 ·
easyeight said:
Unless something, even minor at this point, is not done in regards to these events the next proposal and action will indeed be a complete ban and perhaps confiscation. Trust me all those who claim the typical clichés like " from my cold dead hands " and " bring it on " will just a willfully hand over their guns as the Germans, Chinese and others have done throughout history.
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The gov isn’t going to confiscate anything. You honestly think that 5+ million people are going to get a knock on the door saying they have to hand over their guns? That’s laughable. Plus I’d put money on it that more than half those people will “lose their guns”. After reading these threads I really don’t understand where your thinking comes from. What’s something “minor” that will change what happened/what will happen in the future? 10 rd mag max? A pinned stock? A more thorough background check (that will do nothing if other people don’t do their job)? My proposal is either armed security at the schools or hold the parents accountable if the twerp still lives under their roof. If you want to start blaming other things for someone’s actions then the parents should be held accountable too.
 
#75 ·
AYFS said:
The gov isn’t going to confiscate anything. You honestly think that 5+ million people are going to get a knock on the door saying they have to hand over their guns? That’s laughable. Plus I’d put money on it that more than half those people will “lose their guns”. After reading these threads I really don’t understand where your thinking comes from. What’s something “minor” that will change what happened/what will happen in the future? 10 rd mag max? A pinned stock? A more thorough background check (that will do nothing if other people don’t do their job)? My proposal is either armed security at the schools or hold the parents accountable if the twerp still lives under their roof. If you want to start blaming other things for someone’s actions then the parents should be held accountable too.
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My thoughts are simple, I hope to play the proverbial Devil's Advocate. The gun community needs to take the lead on this or there will be confiscation, perhaps in the form of buy backs but it will occur, the people will insist upon it. This nation has become the worlds laughing stock in regards to it's murder rate. No where on earth with the exception of war torn nations does such gun violence occur, no where. When a civil society fails to protect it's most vulnerable that society dies. Trust me all the phony brave will give up their weapons when forced to.
 
#76 ·
vdep217 said:
But he was mentally unstable and multiple occasions law enforcement called and nothing done
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Mentally unstable, 19yrs. old and in a matter of minutes he was able to purchase a killing machine. There is no justification for that, none. How about going back a bit to a more civil time of bolt action rifles, revolvers and shotguns. Yes of course there was still crime and murder but never on the scale we see now. When the end comes and indeed it will, it will matter little if you are armed with an AR or a musket. No one is going to be able to nor has the will to fight ultimate tyranny. The Nazis were a minority in Germany and seized power with little difficulty. No one on this website or any other websites is going to take up arms and give up the cushiony life style they so enjoy. When tyranny comes knocking they will just open the door. History tells us that much.
 
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Guns were also ban registerd and confiscated in Germany before Nazi take over. Even in 1863 George santayana said "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". Unfortunately in our society there are those that are trying to earase history as we know it because it might offend someone. And what do u mean a more civil time. Back to the 1800s? Or are you one of the ones that history has been wiped from memory. Feb 14th 1929 where 7 people lost there lives to 2 Thompson sub machine guns. Be it they were gang members trying to take control but the point is since they were invented bad people used these weapons. After the ban there were 2 murders committed by legal automatic weapons. One on On September 15th, 1988 and that was by a police officer. And possibly to involve an automatic September 14 1992. A third is reported but no details. Howe many were committed with illegally owned autos. Such as the Mac 10. Numerous. The point is there is no way to stop people who want a ban item. And remember a lot of these murders with autos came about do to a ban on alcohol. Bans accomplish nothing

So don't tell me there were more civilized times that these weapons weren't used for destruction in the hands of civilians. I could keep going but this makes a point.
 
#78 ·
In the last week I have read countless versions of this very same thread. What I still can't believe is how many firearms owners are willing to give in to something that does NOTHING to stop the problem. Blaming the guns used in this crime how ever the person got them has nothing to do with the problem. To put it another way, if you were the victim of a botched medical operation do you sue the scalpel company? or the Dr. that performed the operation? Our society is controlled by elected officials that know less about the problem then we do. They act on exactly what they are told and how much sympathy needed to get their point across. Why don't these bleeding hearts ever have anything to say about the quality of the video games that kids play for countless hours day after day? Most games depict killing as many as possible with a given weapon. Do you think that someone who plays this type of game day after day year after year has been desensitized to taking a human life? Obviously, our society doesn't think so as there are hoards of parents that give this crap to their kids for Christmas every year. If the kid that did the killing were to use a sharp knife would that have been more acceptable? The answer to this problem starts at home where the job isn't being done. Kids need three things, 1) Family- for emotional support 2) Faith- for moral support 3) Education- to tie everything together. Unfortunately, there are far too many places especially in urban areas that the system falls short in all three.
 
#79 ·
vdep217 said:
Guns were also ban registerd and confiscated in Germany before Nazi take over. Even in 1863 George santayana said "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". Unfortunately in our society there are those that are trying to earase history as we know it because it might offend someone. And what do u mean a more civil time. Back to the 1800s? Or are you one of the ones that history has been wiped from memory. Feb 14th 1929 where 7 people lost there lives to 2 Thompson sub machine guns. Be it they were gang members trying to take control but the point is since they were invented bad people used these weapons. After the ban there were 2 murders committed by legal automatic weapons. One on On September 15th, 1988 and that was by a police officer. And possibly to involve an automatic September 14 1992. A third is reported but no details. Howe many were committed with illegally owned autos. Such as the Mac 10. Numerous. The point is there is no way to stop people who want a ban item. And remember a lot of these murders with autos came about do to a ban on alcohol. Bans accomplish nothing

So don't tell me there were more civilized times that these weapons weren't used for destruction in the hands of civilians. I could keep going but this makes a point.
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Machine guns were outlawed long ago. The St Valentines Massacre was, for that time an isolated event. It was rare for mobsters to murder outside their ranks and your wrong it was a much more civil time. People do not need 30 round magazines and unlimited firepower in a civil society. And may I add the Nazis inherited gun laws imposed on Germany after WW1. They rarely enforced them and actually loosened them in 1937 and 38. There was never mass gun confiscation in Nazi Germany with the exception of Jews who's persecution in all aspects of life in Germany is well documented, rarely taught but well documented.
 
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No it wss less retorted as media wss not available as it is now. Except means there was a confiscation. Machine guns were outlawed in 1934 and still many illegal autos were used to commit crimes. Be it there weren't the shootings were have today but violence using illegal guns wss there
 
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