Who would shoot a pheasant on the ground
shooting pheasants on the ground
harryg
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If you want sporting, hunt after the crowds are gone or hunt a different state. NJ Pheasant hunting in a lot of areas is what I call Glorified Easter Egg Hunts for adults. I love hunting over dogs in traditional hunting conditions without the crowds but if you are going to hunt and live in this state and hunt pheasants at first light with the crowds, you have to accept the way it's conducted. The fact that the birds are not spread out at times is a contributing factor. Honestly, when I had a dog, I joined a club or just came out later in the day. Far less people but much more relaxing and rewarding. That said, I still hunt wth the crowds sometimes but I can see it makes my daughter uncomfortable who just started hunting. I can see doing so less and less going forward.
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You sound new young or confused. It is about being sporting to most guys. Turks not roost shot, ducks not shot on water not upland birds on the ground. Got everything to do with making it harder n that's the sporting part to most guys. Calling in a buck n scaring it off is not the same, taking advantage of one after dark in a neighbors front lawn may offer an east shot but that's considered unsporting as well. Yes that's illegal but along the same sporting unsporting grounds for some guys
I would also argue that "safety" factor here. On any given Saturday morning during SG season on a popular WMA, its not uncommon for a flushed pheasant to be shot at 5-15 times during it's flight. That's 5-15 shots at varying angles, in a fairly small area populated by hunters. That can't be much safer then a few shots aimed at the dirt.
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I am neither. I think perhaps you should give us your definition of the word "sporting". Then tell us what, exactly, is "sporting" about using a firearm to kill a bird or a deer?
Sporting
1. connected with or interested in sports
2. fair and generous in one's behavior or treatment of others, especially in a game or contest
Just so we are clear I am operating under the assumption that you are using sporting as defined by number 2. That being the case please explain to me how using a firearm against any animal could be considered "fair and generous". It is ethical, yes, but it isn't sporting. Think about the logic behind what you are saying. Basically, you are saying that you want to give the bird a chance, you want to be generous by letting it gain flight and then you are going to blast it with lead flying at 1200 fps. Something it has absolutely no way of defending itself against. How is that being generous and sporting?
Now let's top that off with the fact that most birds killed in NJ aren't even wild. They are raised in cages or pens, transported to a foreign location, only to be rousted by dogs a short time later and shot at by hunters. Yes, that sounds very sporting.
If you want to be "sporting" perhaps you should hunt some birds or a deer with no mechanical advantage. After you experience great success with such "sporting" hunts then maybe you can lecture us on how to be "sporting".
By the way, if you are going to take advantage of a deer after dark in your neighbors yard, please use protection.
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if your hunting without a dog and no other hunters are in the area . why not, like others have said so its ethical to shoot at running deer and deer over bait. not in my book .
Brother if you need to count when you figure things out, ah it's a little nuts. You sound new to hunting by your statements. Sporting in my definition and many others would be to limit ourselves in such a way to give the animals an advantage. Such as only wing shooting upland birds, only calling in turks, using dry flies for trout, not chumming bonefish or tarpon, allowing a bunny to circle at least once when being chased than loading a gun in attempt to take them, and if you're part of a club not rocking birds to sleep. You wanna shoot em out of a tree, sleeping, on the ground go ahead if you call that sporting we think different. How many numbers was that?
To answer the sporting part about using a gun or bow to harvest a deer I thought that was self explanatory. Sound like the antis on that one
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Everyone has the right to hunt anyway they want as long it is safe to others and is legal according to fish and game. Not everyone can hunt durring the week or every weekend or has a dog etc. If they choose to shoot a sitting bird or duck or shoot a first yr deer to take home some meat, good for them..Those pheasants were stocked to be killed. Ive had some sit so tight my lab just grabbed them and I rung its neck.Should I have thrown it up in the air and blasted it?
Brother you're right on a lot of accounts. It's legal, just not sporting in my opinion. Far as dogs, pointing dogs are bred to pause/freeze which is the point. Flushing dogs(labs) are bred to rush in and catch the game. If it's not fast enough it gets caught. A reason I use pointers. A full game bag n no shots fired is a waste to me. To each his own buddy
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Yeah ok bowguy. Keep telling yourself you are a sporting fellow. I wasn't counting I was listing, to make things easier for you to comprehend. I should have guessed from your shaky grasp on logic that my efforts were in vain. Keep on keeping on.
You're like arguing w a woman. Make zero sense n have zero logic. It's obvious you've done very little in the sport n want every advantage to go your way. That's ok to each his own but you've got lots to learn
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All of this talk about "sporting". The first priority of hunting is to deliver a clean and humane kill. Making it more "sporting" only increases the risk of wounding. So, tell me what is right and wrong. You rarely get a chance to shoot a stationary bird. But, if the opportunity presents itself, no one should feel guilty about killing it that way.
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