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The biggest problem is that the general tax fund does not fund the DFW!That is what's wrong with this state.Other states as a resident you don't even have to buy a license! That is because the general treasury funds wildlife in those states.That would never happen here because no one has the balls to tell the anti's to go !@#$ themselves.We tip toe around all that.It sickens me!!As a non resident I can hunt Ohio for $130.00 bucks from Sept to Feb!!!No other tags and bull well you can buy extra antlerless tags but it is far more cheaper than NJ is for it's own residents!!
 
Times ours by four and Pop-pop's out-of -state stuff just to hunt with us!! However wouldn't trade hunting for golf!! We will continue to hunt and trap till we all drop.
 
Relax everyone, we were told that XBOWs would solve ALL of these problems, remember.
From MY experiance here your NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING THAT $HIT UP MODS! MODS!
 
Attached is the 2008 Game Bird Survey for the state. I was informed by Andrew Burnett, Principal Biologist for the Upland Game and Furbearer Project that after five years they are discontinuing this due to lack of interest. :(


Summary
A 2008 New Jersey Upland Game Bird Hunter Log was mailed to 387 existing volunteer cooperators in an effort to better quantify hunter effort, harvest rate and upland bird distribution. Seven (1.8 percent of prior cooperators) were returned as undeliverable and the survey response rate was 25.0 percent (85 of the remaining 380 contacts). Sixty-five respondents (67.7 percent of respondents, 17.1 percent overall) actively pursued American woodcock, northern bobwhite, ring-necked pheasants and ruffed grouse during the 2008-09 seasons, and hunted a total 630 days. The majority of hunters pursued pheasants (95.4 percent), followed by northern bobwhite (21.5 percent), woodcock (15.4 percent) and grouse (6.2 percent). One-quarter of the respondents (18 of 65) hunted more than one species. Active respondents harvested a total 553 pheasants, 134 bobwhite and 27 woodcock. Pheasant hunters expended a mean 6.9 days afield (2.9 hours per trip), flushed a mean 0.7 birds per hour and harvested a mean 0.4 birds per hour. The majority (61.4 percent) of respondent’s 544 pheasant hunting trips occurred in the northern counties of Sussex and Warren or in the central counties of Ocean and Monmouth. Bobwhite hunters expended a mean 3.8 days afield (2.6 hours per trip), flushed a mean 1.9 birds per hour and harvested a mean 0.9 birds per hour. Most (45.7 percent) of respondent’s 57 bobwhite hunting trips occurred in the central county of Ocean. Woodcock hunters expended a mean 3.8 days afield (2.8 hours per trip), flushed a mean 1.0 birds per hour and harvested a mean 0.2 birds per hour. The majority (63.0 percent) of respondent’s 38 woodcock hunting trips occurred in Sussex County (North Zone). Grouse hunters expended a mean 1.8 days afield (2.7 hours per trip), flushed a mean 0.4 birds per hour but did not harvest a single bird. All of respondent’s 7 grouse hunting trips occurred in the northern counties of Morris and Sussex.

This survey was conducted as part of Job III-B. Hunter and Trapper Harvest, Recreational and Economic Survey. This job is included within Grant Number W-68-R-13, New Jersey Wildlife Research and Management: Project III. Upland Wildlife and Furbearers.

Background
The biennial New Jersey Firearm Hunter Harvest Survey, distributed to a random sample of licensed sportsmen, solicits information on small game harvests for the preceding season. The survey is distributed after the close of the 120-day, statewide small game season (President’s Day). Survey results are not presently adjusted for memory bias. Recipients of the 2003-04 New Jersey Firearm Hunter Harvest Survey were asked if they would voluntarily cooperate in a more detailed, daily monitoring program. The new program specifically targeted American woodcock (Scolopax minor), northern bobwhite (Colinus virginianus), ring-necked pheasant (Phaisanus colchicus) and ruffed grouse (Bonasa umbellus). Solicitations for volunteer cooperators were also published in the New Jersey Fish and Wildlife Digest (Hunting Issue) and on the Division’s website, www.njfishandwildlife.com.



Methods
Instructions and a data form were provided to 387 cooperators, prior to the 2008-09 hunting season. Each cooperator was assigned a unique identification number to provide anonymity. Cooperators were asked to record their trip results on a daily basis (hunt date, hunt county, land owner, hunt duration to the nearest ½ hour, species pursued, total number of flushes and total number of birds harvested).

Materials were provided via US mail or email, if one were provided. Seven survey forms (1.8 percent of prior contacts) were returned by postal authorities as undeliverable and 380 were presumed delivered successfully. The survey instrument was also made available on the Division website. Ninety-five responses from the 380 known cooperators were returned by 30 April 2009 (25.0 percent response rate), and 1 unsolicited Internet responses were received for a total response rate of 25.3 percent. Harvest analyses were conducted on the 65 respondents (67.7 percent of all respondents) that actively hunted the species of interest during the 2008-09 hunting season.

Findings
Sixty-five respondents (67.7 percent of respondents, 17.1 percent overall) actively pursued American woodcock, northern bobwhite, ring-necked pheasants and ruffed grouse during the 2008-09 seasons. Respondents hunted a total 630 days. The majority of active respondents (98.4 percent) pursued pheasants, followed by bobwhite (23.1 percent), woodcock (15.4 percent), and grouse (6.2 percent). Note: 18 of 65 active respondents (27.7 percent) hunted more than one species.
A summary of findings for all years is presented in Table 1.

Northern Bobwhite Quail
Fifteen respondents (23.1 percent) reported encounters with bobwhite during 56 days afield and 94.7 percent of hunting hours were expended by 01 January. Most (45.7 percent) of bobwhite hunting hours occurred in Ocean County. Over 85 percent (86.7) of bobwhite hunting hours were spent on State Wildlife Management Areas, particularly Greenwood Forest (40.7 percent) and Peaslee WMA (37.4 percent). Two-thirds of quail hunters (66.6 percent) hunted 4 days or less, with a mean of 3.7 days per hunter and a mean field time of 2.6 hours per trip. On average, all hunters encountering bobwhite flushed 1.9 birds/hour and harvested 0.9 birds/hour hunted.

Ring-necked Pheasant
Sixty-two respondents (95.4 percent) reported encounters with pheasants during 544 days afield and 85.9 percent of hunting hours were expended by 01 January. The majority (61.4 percent) of pheasant hunting hours occurred in the northern counties of Sussex and Warren and in the central counties of Monmouth and Ocean. Nearly three-quarters (73.3 percent) of pheasant hunting hours were spent on State Wildlife Management Areas, while 22.0 percent were spent on private lands (including semi-wild and commercial shooting preserves) and 4.7 percent on Federal lands. Two-thirds of pheasant hunters (67.7 percent) hunted 10 days or less, with a mean of 8.9 days per hunter. The mean field time for pheasant hunters was 2.9 hours per trip. Respondents averaged 0.7 birds flushed/hour and harvested 0.4 birds/hour hunted.

Ruffed Grouse
Four respondents (6.2 percent) reported encounters with grouse during 7 days afield and 73.7 percent of hunting hours were expended by December 1. The majority (71.1 percent) of grouse hunting hours occurred in Sussex County. The majority of grouse hunting hours (63.1 percent) were spent on State Wildlife Management Areas and 36.9 percent were spent on Federal lands. All grouse respondents hunted 5 days or less, with a mean of 1.8 days per hunter and a mean field time of 2.7 hours/trip. On average, all hunters encountering grouse flushed 0.2 birds/hour. No grouse were harvested.

American Woodcock
Ten respondents (15.4 percent) reported encounters with woodcock during 38 days afield and 66.4 percent of hunting hours were expended by 08 November. The majority of woodcock hunting hours (63.0 percent) occurred in Sussex County. By land type, the majority of woodcock hunting hours (51.7 percent) were spent on State Wildlife Management Areas, while 27.0 percent were spent on Federal lands, and 21.3 percent on private lands. Ninety percent of respondents hunted 5 days or less, with a mean of 3.8 days per hunter and a mean field time of 2.8 hours per trip. On average, all hunters encountering woodcock flushed 1.0 birds/hour and harvested 0.2 birds/hour hunted.
Two respondents reported encountering a total 8 woodcock after the North Zone season closure (after 08 November) and two respondents reported encountering a total of 9 woodcock in the South Zone between 23 November and 25 December when the season was closed.




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The best move I made was swiching to NYS two years ago and only hunt NJ reg and winter bow to fill in the gaps.

NJ is permit happy, period. But like P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born........."
 
Just for information sake I have the nj hunting lic sales number and deer harvest numbers all the back to 1970 to 2008

In 1970 there was 171,959 res hunting lic sold 29,026 bow and 178,050 fishing lic.

in 1988 hunting 101,058 bow 38,338 fishing 217,135 and the first year the nj waterfowl stamp 22,071 trapping 1,082

2008 hunting 43,593 bow 16,628 Fishing 136,568 waterfowl stamp 12,154 trapping 827

these are real numbers the deer harvest is even more, never mind

High salaries, pensions, operating costs go up, gas ect and demand is going down. we need numbers again to be cost effective, it is a business reality can't get around it. get the kids back in and you guys stay in then maybe things will straighten out but I really do not see it happening. so I spend what can on what lic I want. and make the best of it.
 
You might be IDK and as far as doing what I can to get kids involved I know I have done a lot more than most right up to setting a kid up in my personal honey hole and not hunting it myself for years.
Now are you telling me looking at the expenditurs I make for an A.A. + Trout stamp (For mostly C+R fishing the few times I can get out) Bow permits PLUS buck stamp is NOT enough?! I guess I should be a shamed that I'm considdering NOT purchasing ML and associated BS ?
Am I being mean spirited if dare say NJ Div. F+W GIVE till it hurts than give some MORE, sorry I don't think so.
Nowhere did I say we as hunters/trappers/anglers are not paying enough. I simply stated that our shrinking numbers along with increasing costs are causing higher fees. Look at MS22's post about the changes to the division's budget. All the WMA lands are in the control of the division and they get almost zero from the general treasury to maintain those lands yet those same lands are enjoyed by non-sportsmen as well as us who hunt/fish/trap. Is that fair? No, obviously not. Write your local (state) congressman/woman and state senators and demand that they properly fund the division so that we don't continue to lose more biologists and COs while invasive species like Russian olives take over our WMAs. We need to educate our mostly urban residents about who takes care of our preserved lands and make sure they understand the importance of those lands for not only hunting, fishing, bird watching, hiking, kayaking, etc. but for groundwater recharge and the non-game habitat. Because WMAs are so closely associated with hunting, we get the short straw far too often.
 
Just for information sake I have the nj hunting lic sales number and deer harvest numbers all the back to 1970 to 2008

In 1970 there was 171,959 res hunting lic sold 29,026 bow and 178,050 fishing lic.

in 1988 hunting 101,058 bow 38,338 fishing 217,135 and the first year the nj waterfowl stamp 22,071 trapping 1,082

2008 hunting 43,593 bow 16,628 Fishing 136,568 waterfowl stamp 12,154 trapping 827

these are real numbers the deer harvest is even more, never mind

High salaries, pensions, operating costs go up, gas ect and demand is going down. we need numbers again to be cost effective, it is a business reality can't get around it. get the kids back in and you guys stay in then maybe things will straighten out but I really do not see it happening. so I spend what can on what lic I want. and make the best of it.
Good post, the numbers don't lie. Bring a friend or neighbor or family member hunting or fishing and we can turn this around. But it all lies with us. We all needed mentors to get started, at least most of us.
 
id be all for a more simplified permit and license system. maybe allow one buck tag to be used in any season. after that you can buy 2 more or something like that. combine and make fall bow sept-thru end of november- get rid of the rifle permit-get rid of the the coyote permit-woodcock also.COMBINE SOME OF THESE THINGS PLEASE! MAKE IT EASY AND SIMPLIFY ALL THESE TRIPS TO THE COUNTER AND MY BULDGING LICENSE HOLDER. thank you![kiss]
 
Good post, the numbers don't lie.
Ahh the old Figures don't lie but liers can sure figure " I have those numbers too and I beleive the A.A.S. numbers are left out!
Lets face it for most hunting costs are discresionary and there is compitision for those dollars from electronics to better value out of state not to mention the more you manage things and place the burden on those looking for "FUN" the less they are inclined to want to participate.
 
I hate to pay this much money to hunt and fish just as much as the next man but can somebody please tell me where we will come up with the money to fund the division at its current level without the current license fees...... Or can someone please come up with a budget model for the division so that it can operate on a smaller budget allowing the division to decrease license fees while also maintaining hunter/angler satisfaction with the way our outdoors are being managed?
 
Or can someone please come up with a budget model for the division so that it can operate on a smaller budget
Sure start cutting staff like most other business in the state have they can begin with the biologists they don't listen to and the people who claim to manage them.
 
i think the increased fees have made people leave the sport if you lower the fees a bit you get more guys back into it...but loss of land is just as much to blame...if the f&g is seperated from the dep that would be a good start
 
can somebody please tell me where we will come up with the money to fund the division at its current level without the current license fees......
Um maybe now with the new governor he won't be able to steal funds from Fish and game to manage other areas in the state thats where!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
but loss of land is just as much to blame
Thats a crock of crap what about the 500 acres off 519!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never see anyone there don't need to hunt it bit if I did its wide open. Oh yeah up behind the elementry school as well and thats in a small area. Pleanty of spots to hunt and no one hunting it.

And up behind Stockton Inn or the land the state leased back to the tree farm that was taken from us.

Plenty of land in this state you guys make us that know laugh[rofl][rofl][rofl]
 
I think the state could collect more money from bike riders and those who use the trails and woods for activities.
Sure, then they would be complaining that the fees are too high and want more and more of the woods and trails for themselves. The hunter be damned.....BAD IDEA! [down]
 
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