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Nobody likes to pay fees for anything, but here's another way to look at it. Drop Tine is paying $1.27 per day to hunt and fish. How much is he (or any of us) paying in gas to hunt and fish? Why aren't we all screaming about the $5+ we spend EACH day just to drive to our hunting and fishing spots? Many of us are spending a heck of a lot more than $5 in gas as well, especially if we live far from our spots. Bottom line is that hunting and fishing remain some of the cheapest forms of outdoor recreation we can do. Anyone play golf? Ski? See what I mean?
 
Guys - hunter license fees remain in a dedicated F&W fund. They cannot and are not used for other NJ governmental agencies. Bottom line, less hunters in our state = less revenue to keep our division of F&W running. Nobody likes the permit buck tag fees, but they raised almost $1 million in their first year and that was funds necessary to keep the division afloat. Will Christie be able to fund the division with general funds from the state treasury in light of his need to slash spending in a huge way? I highly doubt it. What can we do as hunters? Bring more into the sport. Shut off your kid's Wii and drag his/her butt into the woods, it'll do us all some good:)
 
Bucksnbows,
I used to be a supporter of the Div. but nolonger and HAVE to ask just what DO THEY MANAGE? Grouse, All but gone, Deer managment, little more than a political joke migratory foul, do what the feds say and thats that, small game, Oh please any jerk can raise some chickens and dump em in a feild.
Oh I forgot perform as taxie drivers for bears yet another joke.
The Div. let it DIE who needs em to let the WMA's grow up in nonnative invasive plant species that they introduced them self?
IMO you could cut the Div. F+W in HALF and most folks (and that includes hunter and anglers) would notice NO DIFFERANCE in this state.
NOW tell me How am I so wrong?
All good points, but let me tell you what I know that the division is doing on each.

For grouse, they are now doing clearcuts on some WMA lands just for grouse and woodcock. Our problem is a lack of habitat and they are beginning to address that.

Deer management is a very tough issue in this state simply because of our high (highest in the nation) human population. It is very tough to manage deer in urbanized areas, I agree that they are not perfect, but what would you do differently to our deer herd and still attempt a good, balanced herd?

Waterfowl is at the direction of the feds. Period. You can't expect NJ to break federal laws and do whatever they want. I no longer duck hunt, all my lands are now housing complexes so I'm admittedly up to speed on waterfowl, but the feds set the regs.

The bear hunt was not stopped by the division, it was stopped by the politicians in Trenton. The division very much wants a bear hunt, from the director of F&W all the way down the line. Maybe with a new Governor, we will once again hunt them.

The invasive plants you speak of are most likely Russian Olive, a huge mistake made in the 70s by the division and other state's divisions. I was in meetings on just this with biologist from the division in Sept. and I know they are moving forward with eradication efforts using RoundUp like products and a special mower/cutter to remove permanently this plant from many WMAs. That effort is still early, let's see what they can accomplish before hanging them out to dry. They made their mistakes - nobody is perfect - now let's see how well they can fix them.

As for our non-native pheasants, what do you want? NJ hunters still want to hunt for them, stocked or not so they provide them and quail for a steep permit price. IMO, I would focus a lot more on habitat for bunnies (most WMAs are good rabbit habitat) and grouse and woodcock which are our native small game species along with squirrels.

I guess I'm more of an optimist than some. Are things perfect? Heck no, but it's what we have and it's better to get involved and make some change than abandoning hunting and fishing like so many here threaten to do which will only make things worse for those of us who still pursue the out of door experience.
 
what would we be able to do to get them to force lower fees we should rally up and figure something out
It's simple. Take a kid hunting. Take your spouse. Take a buddy/neighbor/whomever. The drop in our numbers is forcing fewer of us to pay for an increasingly larger bill each year. We are our own worse enemies, we don't do a good job of bringing new hunters and anglers into the sports we all love. That will be our downfall, not the antis.
 
They need to do a lot more of this. There is a lot of revenue in our forests. Not to mention these clearcuts benefit a whole host of species.

Hey Bri, how much have they cut so far and how much more are they planning on cutting? I know there are lots of hurdles including a few preservationist environmental groups.
Mike, agreed! I've personally met with the Director and pushed additional clear cutting on some WMAs and he is in agreement. Plenty of issues remain, such as a severe lack of a forestry industry here in NJ (nobody is cutting lumber anymore and I can attest in my own Forestry Stewardship Management Plan on our ground in Sparta), all funds generated go to Trenton's general funds, problems with the tree-hugging lefties that feel the only good forest is an old, mature forest, etc. On the revenue side, at least NJF&W can tell Trenton how much $$ they put into the general coffers from timber sales[up]

I don't have any current figures on # s of acres harvested yet, but will post if I can find out.

To someone else's post about the raiding of dedicated H&A funds, this was last tried by McGreevey and when the feds caught wind of it (because many of us told the feds) and the federal matching funds were threatened with being cut off, the Governor had to put them back. Our hunter and angler funds in NJ are dedicated and ARE NOT raided by Trenton! If that were to happen, certain folks like myself would receive personal phone calls from division staffers and we'd be on the phones/emails with newspapers in seconds!!! Not saying it will never happen again, look at the recent shellfish funds misdirected recently and brought to light by the NJOA (great work, Ant and crew!).
 
You might be IDK and as far as doing what I can to get kids involved I know I have done a lot more than most right up to setting a kid up in my personal honey hole and not hunting it myself for years.
Now are you telling me looking at the expenditurs I make for an A.A. + Trout stamp (For mostly C+R fishing the few times I can get out) Bow permits PLUS buck stamp is NOT enough?! I guess I should be a shamed that I'm considdering NOT purchasing ML and associated BS ?
Am I being mean spirited if dare say NJ Div. F+W GIVE till it hurts than give some MORE, sorry I don't think so.
Nowhere did I say we as hunters/trappers/anglers are not paying enough. I simply stated that our shrinking numbers along with increasing costs are causing higher fees. Look at MS22's post about the changes to the division's budget. All the WMA lands are in the control of the division and they get almost zero from the general treasury to maintain those lands yet those same lands are enjoyed by non-sportsmen as well as us who hunt/fish/trap. Is that fair? No, obviously not. Write your local (state) congressman/woman and state senators and demand that they properly fund the division so that we don't continue to lose more biologists and COs while invasive species like Russian olives take over our WMAs. We need to educate our mostly urban residents about who takes care of our preserved lands and make sure they understand the importance of those lands for not only hunting, fishing, bird watching, hiking, kayaking, etc. but for groundwater recharge and the non-game habitat. Because WMAs are so closely associated with hunting, we get the short straw far too often.
 
Just for information sake I have the nj hunting lic sales number and deer harvest numbers all the back to 1970 to 2008

In 1970 there was 171,959 res hunting lic sold 29,026 bow and 178,050 fishing lic.

in 1988 hunting 101,058 bow 38,338 fishing 217,135 and the first year the nj waterfowl stamp 22,071 trapping 1,082

2008 hunting 43,593 bow 16,628 Fishing 136,568 waterfowl stamp 12,154 trapping 827

these are real numbers the deer harvest is even more, never mind

High salaries, pensions, operating costs go up, gas ect and demand is going down. we need numbers again to be cost effective, it is a business reality can't get around it. get the kids back in and you guys stay in then maybe things will straighten out but I really do not see it happening. so I spend what can on what lic I want. and make the best of it.
Good post, the numbers don't lie. Bring a friend or neighbor or family member hunting or fishing and we can turn this around. But it all lies with us. We all needed mentors to get started, at least most of us.
 
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