[aceoky]

Read all my other posts

I have and

"I" call malarkey.

Everything was answered once, twice probably 3 times already.
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Well one side (pro inclusion) has answered with Facts and relevant data.......the other side has failed to do that at All...(despite your claims otherwise)..... but you're right it's all been answered multiple times (and not the way you're claiming either)

The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game.

And THAT is just as true for the CrossBOW hunter [hihi]

These notions were all brought up and answered with FACTS

Not true.........opinions "sold as facts" are still opinions....

You ignored the Knight and Hale steady ready claiming ONLY crossbows can use rests (no other bows could)......you're wrong = FACT

Not only does the steady ready serve as a Rest, it allows the bow hunter to remain at Full Draw Much longer than without it........your "Facts" are not facts at all, choosing to ignore that is your right, saying you've answered with Facts when you haven't is less than honest...

Had you taken YOUR OWN "advice" and read the posts you'd have known this was also addressed and totally refuted several times over the past year right here another Fact

Ignoring known sources of definitions, truth and accuracy (such as Webster's) only harms Your credibility, doing so and claiming that as facts destroys it.....

"I" call malarkey to your whole post!

 

[aceoky]

The Proof......(for those who haven't already read this)

Steady Ready

The Knight & Hale "Steady Ready" Steady Rest is a fully mobile, convenient way to keep your hunting weapon of choice ready for a longer period of time

Archery hunters can hold at full draw for much longer, and keep the sights steadier, with the use of the Steady Ready.

I know those "darned Facts" again refuting the BS and spin.......

 

[aceoky]

Think about this.--- 50# draw compound with 80% let off = holding 10#

10# - isn't that about the draw weight of a toy bow that you buy for a kid between the ages of 3 - 5 years old.

That's also about the weight of a crossBOW with arrow and broadhead.......

Most know that weight IS weight and movement is movement, those who wish to argue foolish points can't possibly help their stance or agendas....

But the "real question" (IMO) is WHO cares?

I couldn't possibly care less how much Little Sue or "old man Jones" is holding back (or up) "over there"....it makes no difference to me or my hunt at all.......

And that is why their stance is in Fact so very weak, they can't demonstrate HOW what others use affect their hunts......in any way and certainly have failed to prove it would in a negative way.....

They can't even explain what difference does it make if someone "over there" is using a crossBOW how that is Any different than if they're "over there" with a compound bow....

The whole truth is they don't want to have more hunters in "their season" after "their" deer sadly they fail to acknowledge they don't own either, and thus they have no right to try to dictate to other fellow hunters at all...= Fact

 

[aceoky]

Dubs, and Fred.........take it easy

the False claim was made that you can NOT use a rest on a bow, I have proven you can......

Those darned FACTS keep on busting the BS oh so easily!!

NO one cares!

If you're holding 10% (or less) draw weight, when you're holding the heavier crossbow same/same and any sane person would realize how futile it IS to argue that foolish point...

Crossbow hunter (A) holding a ten pound crossbow

Compound hunt (B) is holding back ten pounds bow weight

Yeah that's worth arguing over!(who is holding more weight)

Or what If (A) is holding ten pounds and (B) is only holding back seven??????

Or WHO cares??? YOU hunt your way and stop trying to dictate to others what they "must do" ....[down]

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[aceoky]

Not in NJ.

Correction.....

Not YET in NJ

 

[aceoky]

With any other bow you can't sit flat on your ass to shoot it and must wait until it's in range to draw it.

Well, "I" have in fact seen long bow shooters lie on their Backs and shoot targets @ 100 yards, using their Feet to draw with (that's not hand held and hand drawn either btw. so "some" would claim that they're not "bows")

but both require being drawn and both can't be rested on your knee to be shot

We've already established as Fact that bows Can and are rested......."on the knees" is not relevant "rested" is in Fact rested...

AND since the "rest" also allows for full draw MUCH longer.....any perceived "advantage" isn't enough to matter since in Fact we're NOT talking about some "competition" here anyway between hunters....

Unless of course a "knee rested crossbow hunt" OVER THERE, is affecting YOUR hunt in some negative way it doesn't even matter!

 

[aceoky]

You guys do remember that you feel K can't comment on hunting so why can you comment on shooting an Xbow?

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[aceoky]

Great postS Awshucks![up][up][up]

 

[aceoky]

You state the advantage isn't enough to matter. That's turning your eyes to anything that proves the xbows advantage.

Ace,didn't post to argue

"I" didn't either......

We'll simply agree to disagree, "I" say "rested" IS rested.....period.....

"I" don't care about perceived "advantages" because MOST don't hunt as a competition between other hunters

Ace i've asked your reply on the last couple of posts and treated you with respect and most of all fairly.

As I have also done with you......

Now do you understand where the opposition comes from,you create it.

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NO one "twisted anything" at all......

"I" stated easy to confirm Facts.........No more and No less....

IF the truth creates opposition as you stated then what type of "person" is OUR opposition then?

What most of the "opposition" Fail to understand is that Awshucks and I either have been or still are Traditional Bow Hunters.....

We "know a thing or two about a thing or two" when it comes to bow hunting AND (more importantly) it's Future.......

Bash us for that If you wish.....

 

[aceoky]

We have all of our deer stands in PA with lower shooting rails so my cousin and uncle can use their crossbows in them.

I don't doubt that "at all", I also don't see "any real advantage" in a recreational (not competitive ) sport, as bow hunting is and should remain.....

Maybe IF we were talking about competitive archery shooting but the Facts prove crossbows don't win their either

Also please ask them "how easy" is a second shot from the tree stand

 

[aceoky]

By your way of thinking s shotgun with buckshot has no advantage either

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Please don't attempt to "speak for me", I'm quite capable of stating my own opinions and I would Never make such an absurd statement.........[down][wallmad]

 

[aceoky]

Turning you head on the obvious advantage is what creates the opposition

There is a Huge difference in "not caring" about any advantage and "turning one's head to it".....

Or pointing out the obvious.....

Just in case I was somehow not clear, "advantages" (whether Real, or simply "perceived" ) don't matter in a non competitive sport....Fact

Bow hunting is Not (nor should it ever be) a "competition between hunters" ....competition between Each hunter and the game Yes......between hunters No.....

 

[aceoky]

Therefore all along you're only concerned about your side of the debate. Not what is a fact or not.

Not true at all, however, Unless hunters are competing with other hunters (and I certainly hope that's not the case)......then it's moot point (at best IMO)

ou know,i'd like to talk to you personally to see what motivates you.

I've already explained that to You......IF you don't believe it that's fine....you're entitled to that view.

Advantages are not only about competition,they are about fair game.

First "I HOPE" you mean "unfair advantages" and those are subjective at best and "dangerous" at worst to our sport.....IMO

"I" am one who does not intend to "judge" fellow hunters, IF what they're doing IS legal, and what they wish to do ,while NOT harming our sport or it's image "I" will support them..... including the use of crossBOWS as their choice of Bow....simple as that...

"I" realize WE all have enough REAL Enemies to not need to manufacture them from within.....

 

[aceoky]

Really Fred???

I "think" the big surprise will be the outcome of your sides Constant Public Bashing of groups with HUGE majority support (among them NJ F&G Council)

I've posted the Facts to back that up with.....

You must be waiting on Christmas to do the same