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Jakesbeard

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Lets hear your opinion.

Is it right that the Fish + Game council be controlled by the Federation of Sportsmens clubs since by its nature the Federation is controlled primarily by Deer Driving gun clubs and to a lesser extent semi-wild gun clubs thus giving the same weight to a MEMBER ORGANISATION like Trout Unlimited or the UBNJ as a CLUB like "The Pine Knote Brown-N-Down club?
Shouldn't there be a more equitable representation of the states stakeholders were it comes to CONSERVATION AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT?

What do you say?
If you could make a change for the better how would you do it?
Would you try to get the oldboy network of the Federation to change on its own or would you look to write legislation that would reorganise the council or would you look to support legislation (Writen and supported by preservationists and animal rights groups)that already exists?
 
something should be done to represent the quite pot hunter. alot of bowhunters are the solitary type, myself included. forcing the issue might not be a bad idea. i have relied on UBNJ for my voice, maybe we need more.
 
stir,stir,stir, I don't think that the Federation has that much control over the Council. I wish in a way they did, we might see more issues resolved. I also think if the clubs like UBNJ,TU,Federation, etc etc took on the same issues equally we would see more action. Sunday hunting and bear hunting should be priority of all hunting groups for this state in my opinion. The real problem is in this state there are so many wacky issues for hunters,fisherman,shooters,gun owners to fight, every group has to fight for specific things, we get split up fighting issues.
TOO MANY RULES to try to get ammended.
Again, I would love to see a DOVE SEASON!!!
 
I don't think anyone has the "right" to control the Council. I think that ALL hunters should be treated EQUALLY AND FAIRLY with WILDLIFE CONSERVATION being the most important factor, not money. I don't foresee anything changing here without forcing the issue.
 
I don't think that the Federation has that much control over the Council
They elect 6 of the 11 members. How would they not have some control???

I would leave the council intact as they have been doing a great job when they were not politically handcuffed. If a change should be made it should be a change to the Federation by getting different interest groups to show up!
 
Remove it (F&W) from DEP control.

Don't start with the POBH sh--. Three months of bow hunting a year isn't enough?
 
I think you can join the Federation for some ridiculously small fee, like $5 or $8. It would be much easier to join the Federation and change it internally, than to try and get the NJ State Legislature to make changes that would benefit anyone.
 
That the council does not hear us single hunters at all!!!!!
Hello!!! Go to your county Federation meetings and your voice will be heard!!! Show up!

the council members are just tokens of the goverment
The Council members are unpaid volunteers and have nothing to do with state goverment other than being interfered with. The Council is NOT the problem.
 
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quote]I would agree . That the council does not hear us single hunters at all!!!!! [/quote]
Exactly

if the clubs like UBNJ,TU,Federation, etc etc took on the same issues equally we would see more action.
First off UBNJ, TU,DU etc are MEMBER Organisations NOT CLUBS often times they represent thousands of people with similar goals and desires yet within the FEDERATION they are but little more than 1 group no better than a CLUB that does nothing but push deer for them selves on public property or hold a lease.
More often than not these same groups are focused ONLY on getting THEIR moenys worth F- the resource F- the other users of that PUBLIC RESOURCE a member GROUP like the UBNJ or QDM stands little chance of making a positive change.

Some more examples other than the fact that BOW HUNTERS WILL HAVE NO SAY IN WEATHER OR NOT CROSSBOWS GET DUMPED IN THEIR SEASON

How about Ruffed Grouse Why isn't the Div. of F+W NOT doing anything to manage these game birds?
They control over 300,000 ac. of land much of it potentialy prime grouse habitat yet it is allowed to fester WHY? Yet the Ruffed Grouse scocciety is a member group with realy NO VOICE.

THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO MEETINGS is the constant cry of the Federation defendors those entrenched in the system who also by virtue of how THEY HUNT benifit from the actions of the F+G council and its dancing to the Federations tired old tune show up to a meeting make a request and that request made by a MEMBER ORG. with HUNDREDS OF LOCAL MEMBERS gets shot down by 3 clubs with a few dozen members WHAT IS THE POINT?

The Council is NOT the problem.
That depends upon ones point of view to be sure.

While it can't be denied that since the Campbell/McGreevey years and the limiting of the councils power (Which was done in part as much because they managed a public resourse with ONLY the perseptions and wants of ONE segment of the populations desires in mind)THEY ARE THE VERY PROBLEM in essence since they are controlled in FACT and IN DEED by a group (THE FEDERATION) that is controlled by only a portion of its membership.

If a change should be made it should be a change to the Federation by getting different interest groups to show up!
Ahh my point exactly and the best way to do that is to make THEIR voice heard and to COUNT it is an ugly shame when one or two county federation chapters can deside we will have no Sunday Bowhunting or that Crossbows will get placed in bowseason not to mention a host of other inequities.
Question WHO on todays council represents ColdWater Fisheries?
WHY won't QDM EVER be a REAL goal of Deer management in this state?
The answers are right there the fact that there is NO POINT in showing up if your interst is NOT DRIVING DEER and or SHOOTING PEN RAISED BIRDS going to meetings to listen to HOURS of Belly acheing from the OLD GAURD than getting lip service from them when a MEMBER group makes a request why bother.

I don't think anyone has the "right" to control the Council.
Ahh but that is exactly the way it is now with no volentary change insite.

I think that ALL hunters should be treated EQUALLY AND FAIRLY with WILDLIFE CONSERVATION being the most important factor, not money.
Its not just hunters but ALL the resource users and the resource its self there are more than just hunters who are members of the federation and more than just hunters who SHOULD BE members BUT what is the point if it gets you no place?
One of the ugly FACTS of modern life is IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO MONEY the questions here are how is that money collected and from whom / by whom and how does it get spent?

Does anyone else care to answer the original question?
 
Jakes,

I understand your frustration. My outlook of the Federation could be different because of the county federation I was a member of. I've been to all of the Northern county federation meetings as well as the state meetings and I can tell you without a doubt that Sussex is the way all federation meetings should be run. Input from ALL member groups is encouraged and talked about in every meeting. There are equal shares of bow and gun hunters, fresh and saltwater. Council members, CO's and biologists show up, as well as former directors and other active members of the wildlife community.

Make it a point to go to a Sussex meeting and you will see what I mean.
 
Ahh but that is exactly the way it is now with no volentary change insite.
I know and this is what I am afraid of.

THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO MEETINGS is the constant cry of the Federation defendors those entrenched in the system who also by virtue of how THEY HUNT benifit from the actions of the F+G council and its dancing to the Federations tired old tune show up to a meeting make a request and that request made by a MEMBER ORG. with HUNDREDS OF LOCAL MEMBERS gets shot down by 3 clubs with a few dozen members WHAT IS THE POINT?
If you are not saying what THEY want to hear, there is no point.
 
Input from ALL member groups is encouraged and talked about in every meeting. There are equal shares of bow and gun hunters, fresh and saltwater. Council members, CO's and biologists show up, as well as former directors and other active members of the wildlife community.
The way it SHOULD be everywhere
 
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NS911,
Thanks for your contribution.
 
NS911,
Thanks for your contribution.
No problem JB.
We've been agreeing on too many things lately, and that was getting scary [hihi]


Besides doesn't this sum up YOUR agenda ?

Bowhunters have never lost anything they already had to animal rights groups but they have lost things to gunhunters additionally they have had to fight both animal rights groups and gunners for most everything they have.
 
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NS911,
So are you saying that its good that there is no real parity in the Federation a group that has controll over how our natural resources are enjoyed and managed?
I realise you are probably in the group that benifits the most from how things are now but in all honesty can you say its right?
 
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