i am just curious what other guys think i would love to see the doe limit drop to 3 thats enough meat to fill the fridge and who needs more than that just my thoughts what do you guys and gals think
3 doe limit yea or nay
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You still havent changed. [lol]
I think the same way you do but its not necessarily small bucks though I think it should stand for FAWNS and BUTOON BUCKS also.
So what im trying to say is shoot as many Does as you want but try to pass up the FAWNS and BUTTON BUCKS. So it all kind of evens out.
Thats my opinion.
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3 doe limit i say no to that[up]
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anybody that imo says that we should only have one buck and two does for the whole season. or anything close to those numbers is not a true hunter. why are so many willing to give up all those hunting opportunities? everybody has there own opinon on how many deer need to be shot cause some hunters dont see any. well i say become a better hunter and you will see deer. just because you cant find the deer doesnt mean they arent there, look harder they are. i hunt both state and a bunch of diff private pieces all seasons with the bow and i can honestly say i seen more does and deer for that matter on state than i have on private. one morning at a wma i seen about 30 does my brother and friend combined seen about 20 does, not one buck in 50 deer. on private land i didnt even come close to hose numbers but still some will sit there and say drop the doe harvest for state land or where ever. still guys keep bringing up this 3 point rule which in the eyes of common sense says your shooting higher quality deer at a younger age, it should be a age restriction if anything. there are more than enough deer to go around here in jerz so shoot what makes you happy... if you can find them.
to the topic ? yea a three doe harvest per buck you shoot if it was to be changed to 3.
to the topic ? yea a three doe harvest per buck you shoot if it was to be changed to 3.
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Nor do you! With you being so busy culling the herds in the parklands what clue do you have as to what is going on in my hunting grounds?
All I relayed to you is what I do know about. No one can know of all the different cull operations going on. I asked about your group. Thanks for your answer. Now I know of another. Sounds like an exclusive group like Whitetail Inc, but hey what do I know?
My point is if the twp or park you cull in has a problem that is where the unlimited bag limits need to be placed. Not 10 miles down the road in the same zone that doesn't have anywhere near the problem.
I have been bowhunting for almost 40 years and I have watched it going downhill ever since the state incorporated the unlimited antlerless. Come to my woods and see what I see and then tell me I a have a big chip on my shoulder...
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I think it needs to be more Zone specific than it is now. They break the state down into like 9 groups. for example set 8 has some of the best farmlands and deer numbers in the state zones like 8,9, 10 & 12. But also includes zone 50 in Middlesex county. Find me a piece of Public land with tons of deer. I hunt on Private land in zone 8. we do deer drives at the end of the year. we see loads and loads of deer. The 10 - 15 Does we take do nothing to help control the Herd. Like i said i think limiting the Numbers we take out needs to be more Zone specific
Nor even close. These guys all applied through the program and over the years have shown they get what the culling is about. We don't have people passing up does to shoot a 6pt etc.
Not really. You started talking in general terms about how many etc etc. My pt. was that there are many areas, not just parks, in this state that have way too many deer in them. The UL antlerless permits are needed in such areas.
I know the deer herds in areas such as the Gap etc have taken a beating. I believe they no longer have UL permits. I might be wrong as I don't hunt up there any longer but do have friends that do.
The state needs to take a closer look at some of the smaller number zones, whatever they call them, the numbers within the Zones. That's where they will be able to better control the take. My $.02
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Read it as you will, if you are going to dissect everything I have to say! You are the guy coming back with all the answers telling me I don't know squat! I'll tell you once again if you want. It is how I see it.
I don't hunt the Water Gap. I hunt in zone 7. I am glad it works out for you in the metropolis, but at some point I would really like to see the hunt put back into hunting for everybody everywhere...
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Actually there has NEVER been a "Unlimited Antlerless Season" in "zone 4" aka The Gap Area
I would honestly love to hear people explanations for why everyone says the deer herds are so down up there in Zone 4 as that area of the state has never been opened to UL Harvest of Antlerless and has very limited bag limits in all seasons and season lengths are actually held shorter [eyeroll]
So someone just out of curiosity please explain to me your thoughts on why it isn't working up there [confused]
Seems everyone tends to forget that the whole purpose to the state's use of hunters as wild life management tools is for us to reduce deer numbers to what the state see as an acceptable level, not what you want which would be a woods full of deer but what they need a low amount of healthy deer that is a renewable resource for every one.
You are accountable to yourself about how many deer you want to take out of the area you hunt, and must look beyond the feel to shoot everything that steps in range when your hunting, you are the managment tool not the state you pull the trigger or loos the arrow not the state you kill the deer not the state, so why do you always look to blame them [confused]
Hunting pressure and bears. Last time we hunted the gap we saw 3 bears for every deer. It has been proven bears will and do take significant numbers of fawns. Plenty of hunters too.
I try to let the "trained biologists" determine the limits. That is what they are PAID to do.
PLEASE do not suggest more zones, that would just mean more expense to hunt.
Remember EVERYONE has the ability to limit their take and doesn't have to take their limit!!!
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Junior I agree with you 1000%
on a farm I hunt in zone 4 as many as 10 years ago when scouting for the October archery opener we would find 20 to 30 piles of fawn bones in the back of the farm in several areas, where the bear and yotes would take the fawns down with out hesitation as they lay hidden in the long grass of the fields threw out the spring and summer months.
Unfortunately this population explosion of yote and bears correlated with the on set of the muzzy season becoming very popular with hunters after the inlnes was introduced and also with some of the great advances in technology in the archery industry in only a few short years the number of deer dropped dramatically in the state as the harvest totals shot to record levels year after year and the herds just couldn't sustain that kind of impact and remain at the levels we once saw, over the last few years the number of hunters hunting the Gap area has dropped off quite steadily and the number of deer are starting to slowly recover, but the state really need to implement a bear season in order to get the bears back in check the yotes are being dealt with pretty well at this point as predator hunting and trapping is on the rise.
Hopefully the deer herds up there will continue to rebound to acceptable levels as the predators are better managed and the state hunters can be used as a management tool for ALL wildlife once again like it is suppose to be.
The point is you can't blame everything on UL antlerless, hunters need to be accountable as they are the ones who pull the trigger and loose the arrow, if you have a great need to hunt a lot, like I do or have many people looking to you for venison to help off set the cost of feeding there family or even just because they love venison [tasty]
Then get involved with a deer management program, there are many programs being run all over the state by Counties towns and Organizations You get access to many places that do indeed have a population problem and you full not only your freezer but many needy freezers and your actually a environmental tool helping by simply doing what we all love to do.
on a farm I hunt in zone 4 as many as 10 years ago when scouting for the October archery opener we would find 20 to 30 piles of fawn bones in the back of the farm in several areas, where the bear and yotes would take the fawns down with out hesitation as they lay hidden in the long grass of the fields threw out the spring and summer months.
Unfortunately this population explosion of yote and bears correlated with the on set of the muzzy season becoming very popular with hunters after the inlnes was introduced and also with some of the great advances in technology in the archery industry in only a few short years the number of deer dropped dramatically in the state as the harvest totals shot to record levels year after year and the herds just couldn't sustain that kind of impact and remain at the levels we once saw, over the last few years the number of hunters hunting the Gap area has dropped off quite steadily and the number of deer are starting to slowly recover, but the state really need to implement a bear season in order to get the bears back in check the yotes are being dealt with pretty well at this point as predator hunting and trapping is on the rise.
Hopefully the deer herds up there will continue to rebound to acceptable levels as the predators are better managed and the state hunters can be used as a management tool for ALL wildlife once again like it is suppose to be.
The point is you can't blame everything on UL antlerless, hunters need to be accountable as they are the ones who pull the trigger and loose the arrow, if you have a great need to hunt a lot, like I do
or have many people looking to you for venison to help off set the cost of feeding there family or even just because they love venison [tasty] Then get involved with a deer management program, there are many programs being run all over the state by Counties towns and Organizations You get access to many places that do indeed have a population problem and you full not only your freezer but many needy freezers and your actually a environmental tool helping by simply doing what we all love to do.
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Yay.
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I bow hunted zone 4 back in the late eighties, early nineties and never had trouble finding deer. I had a lot of trouble finding other hunters though. I could drive all the way to Walpack from the light at Rt.80 and count the vehicles with one hand. The last time I was there was on a Saturday of the shotgun season in 98',99'. That same road was packed beyond belief.
Development in this state has forced the issue on a lot of the problems we have now. Back in those days a lot of hunters had places to hunt that were not developed yet. You could go almost anywhere and find good ground to hunt. The more areas got built up the more hunters were forced to go to places like the Water Gap or quit altogether. The deer being forced to smaller habitat within and around these developed areas were never held in check allowing the explosion of deer and the complaints.
Enter the state of New Jersey who came up with a supposed five year plan to alleviate the deer problem. Enacting management plans where you could not manage the deer to start without access. Earn a buck for the archer and unlimited antlerless harvest. Enter the longest firearm season on the east coast. Enter baiting as a legal means to attract and SHOOT deer. Enter the state getting greedy and seeing what a cash cow all of this is. Then there are the greedy who never consider the resource from the start. It all goes to hell from there. I have said it before and will say it again:
We are the keepers of the herd in NJ.
Drop Tine has is right:
Development in this state has forced the issue on a lot of the problems we have now. Back in those days a lot of hunters had places to hunt that were not developed yet. You could go almost anywhere and find good ground to hunt. The more areas got built up the more hunters were forced to go to places like the Water Gap or quit altogether. The deer being forced to smaller habitat within and around these developed areas were never held in check allowing the explosion of deer and the complaints.
Enter the state of New Jersey who came up with a supposed five year plan to alleviate the deer problem. Enacting management plans where you could not manage the deer to start without access. Earn a buck for the archer and unlimited antlerless harvest. Enter the longest firearm season on the east coast. Enter baiting as a legal means to attract and SHOOT deer. Enter the state getting greedy and seeing what a cash cow all of this is. Then there are the greedy who never consider the resource from the start. It all goes to hell from there. I have said it before and will say it again:
We are the keepers of the herd in NJ.
Drop Tine has is right:
The trouble is there will always be those who never see the forest for the trees!
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x7 very well spoken. Eplain this to me. . . . how is me taking out 5 or 6 does off of my over populated farm in zone 8 gonna help improve the deer herd in other areas of the state. On a typical fall night you could count 50 or more deer in our fields. the does i take out are more than replaced by the healthy breeding does. only need 3 adult does to replace what i harvest. the State needs to better manage the herds on a smaller zone level. Middlesex county park system hands out unlimited park permits to anyone that applies. Then hunters have to wonder why they see no deer are those park hunts. Maybe we could stock some deer from my farm would that help ?
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Several reasons in no particular order X7, 4 or 5 deer each gets us and the land owner enough venison until about Sept or so, we enjoy hunting all the seasons, the land owner requests we take a lot of deer as do the neighbors, the herd in this area is through the roof.
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This is definitely a topic that people will be divided on based on where they hunt and how accessible land is. It's not really fair that a guy that hunts somewhere like zone 4 can lecture someone that hunts in say zone 8 for shooting too many does because they're two totally different areas. I don't think that there is any right answer that can be applied to the state as a whole. It's got to be done at the local level. The regulation sets attempt to do that but I don't know if they do enough.
As far as deer quality, I do agree that this all comes back to us. You can't go out and shoot anything that comes by your stand (ie. spikes, button bucks, etc.) and then complain later that there are no good quality deer around. A little self-restraint goes a long way.
As far as deer quality, I do agree that this all comes back to us. You can't go out and shoot anything that comes by your stand (ie. spikes, button bucks, etc.) and then complain later that there are no good quality deer around. A little self-restraint goes a long way.
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X7 said:
I think you two are on the same page but just don't see it. X7 seems to agree that there are plots of land that have larger herds than public land, and it seems that he agrees that different regulations should be set on both. I too agree with that.Parkerbows said:
One thing that I've seen a lot in this thread is "I eat so many deer, I need them". One thing I haven't seen is, "I'd like to have some preservation in place so my children can enjoy can enjoy a quality hunting experience in the future."
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