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#122 ·
K you say you support all bow groups are you currently a UBNJ member if not than you do not support ALL bow groups.
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UBNJ does NOT support crossbow hunters; therefore, they do not support ALL bow hunters.
As the Secy of UXBNJ, WE support ALL bow and gun hunters.

wrong again k dont tell happy false things. he wasnt at the F&G meeting as i was. the UBNJ asked for a compromise after they surveyed their own members. it was shunned by the council and a personal attack on the UBNJ and the president of the UBNJ started at a public meeting. a very respected member of the UBNJ who does alot for bowhunting in this state was asked not to attend the meeting. then he was personally attacked also, dont deny it. wow the council has so much class and should be respected but he wasnt even there to defend himself
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Fred, I am NOT stating anything false, whatsoever!! Compromise period I mentioned goes much further back. I have been in this long before you were. Subject of compromise was brought up and those against said absolutely "NO"!!

I was also at that same meeting and although you guys want to "paint that picture" you are over-dramatizing what happened. That presentation should have been done better. The 38-pgs contained out-dated data and misnomers. The Council had seen all of that many times before and was looking for something new to make your case. None of you in the audience got up to say anything. You've told me it wouldn't matter, but we'll never know, will we?

Yes, we all know which member you are referring to, and reason it was mentioned, was to have it put on record, as he was asked "not" to attend. That would not have been the case, if he didn't try to persuade the Chairwoman at a public function prior to that meeting.

I was also at the following meeting, and nobody from UBNJ bothered to show up, which they were given the choice to do. You guys want to point fingers, but you have nobody but yourselves to blame. Not to mention calling F&G Council members, whores, and implying payoffs, ect.
 
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#124 ·
Subject of compromise was brought up and those against said absolutely "NO"!!
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That statement is either an absolute lie, or one made from incredible ignorance. You have no idea what you are talking about. And I've at "at this", much longer than you have. ;)

You've told me it wouldn't matter, but we'll never know, will we?
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Yes, we do know. I had one F&G Council member tell me "this (crossbows in bow season) is just something we are going to do". That was months before the August 12 meeting, probably about the same time the Digest was being completed...including the crossbows coming to a tree stand near you article. There never was any intention of considering, or even listenting to, anything anyone who opposed full inclusion, especially UBNJ, had to say, and if you don't already know that, well, you haven't been "at this" long enough.
 
#125 ·
Please tell me what have you done to help hunting in this state. Tell me how many phone calls have you made to further the future of hunting in this state? Have you donated any of your personal time to aid in our fight against anti hunting? How many kids did you introduce to hunting and fishing. Take the time out of your day to teach them how to shoot or cast and proper ethics? Or is everything you spew on here for you own personal gain. Cause that my friend makes you the selfish one.
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while i think public volunteerism and charity is a very good and honorable thing it gets cheapened when you put it out there to claim the moral high ground. just my opinion
 
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#126 ·
Crossbow hunters, beware, you want more time in the woods now, but give it a few years and when you're time and everyone elses time is cut down to almost nothing and when there is hardly a deer to be seen, you won't even be able to give them crossbows away.
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more doomsday speculation [eyeroll]
 
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#127 ·
while i think public volunteerism and charity is a very good and honorable thing it gets cheapened when you put it out there to claim the moral high ground. just my opinion
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so the answer is none
 
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#129 ·
Yep, just as you speculate that everything will be fine and dandy.
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at least i have statistics that show that the introduction of crossbows have never proven deterimental to any deer herd where allowed, even with full inclusion. and every year the evidence is will be growing with more jurisdictions allowing full inclusion.
 
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Discussion starter · #130 ·
at least i have statistics that show that the introduction of crossbows have never proven deterimental to any deer herd where allowed, even with full inclusion. and every year the evidence is will be growing with more jurisdictions allowing full inclusion.
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No, you don't, because the states with full inclusion have bag limits that are for the entire hunting season. If a Crossbow or Bow hunter fills his tags with a crossbow, he doesn't get another set of Muzzleloader or shotgun tags to fill.

Show me your statistics that are different than those.

http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article55811.htm

The states with Full inclusion let you pick the weapon you choose to hunt with. They don't sell you tags to kill more animals. Big difference.
 
#131 ·
Shouldn't we have the same bag limits as a compound hunter here for crossbow since there for an entire season. Oh yea they get to buy muzzleloader and shotgun tags too. Wait until you have older kids and have to buy double permits etc, I happily spent a bunch this year.[hihi] Why did you wait until now to raise your bag limit objections. Why aren't you out lobbying for one buck bow, same for all bows including crossbow.[up]
 
#132 ·
randolph 1 buck bow bring crossbows in i could care less
 
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Discussion starter · #133 ·
Because in this state where money hungry wolves lie and wait, bag limits will not be put into place due to creating a quality hunt. Instead the state wants even more cash flow by getting gun hunters to also start archery hunting the easy way with a crossbow. Bag limits have always been an issue, they aren't going to get addressed. I can only hope it's not too late to stop this mess they are about to create with crossbows and crowding another 30k hunters into a small area where the deer herd is already half of what it used to be. Imagine the quality ML and Shotgun hunts you'll have after that!!!!

Sure, make it a 2 buck per year limit, weapon of choice. It would be a dream come true to myself and probably a lot of other hunters in this state who care about preservation.

But you seem to be straying away from the facts, that there is no real statistics that prove crossbows have never been detrimental to a deer herd anywhere. Would you agree? And if so, why choose NJ to use as a test lab for your agenda?
 
#134 ·
But you seem to be straying away from the facts, that there is no real statistics that prove crossbows have never been detrimental to a deer herd anywhere.
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last time i checked, there seem to be alot of deer roaming around ohio, virginia, ontario and every other place where there is full inclusion. [rofl]
 
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#135 ·
This is funny in a sad sort of way. Let me predict the future for you. The economy is a disaster and as many as 10,000 current license holders will quit due to lack of funds and also put pheasant stocking in jeopardy.Suppose we add 10-15,000 buying $1,000 crossbows. No biggy in the North. We have plenty of land and game. The real complaint is not lack of game its lack of game next to the parking lot. Fat lard asses don't want to hike more than 15 minutes from the parking lot. Picture lardo carrying a heavy crossbow, ain't happening. My local WMA has plenty of game as I witnessed yesterday.In fact I'm shocked at the amount of deer traffic. I will do my part and help bring it closer to balance in the fall, shocking really. It's supposed to be wiped out right?
 
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last time i checked, there seem to be alot of deer roaming around ohio, virginia, ontario and every other place where there is full inclusion.
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Last time I checked those states don't hand out seperate tags for each weapon. Your crossbow tag is your gun tag as well as bow tag. Did you even read my post, 3 above this one? You have no evidence that crossbows will not hurt the deer population. NONE!!!!

For once, man up and admit it.
 
#137 ·
Is this revenge?
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NO revenge at all. Just on the side that has facts to back up what is presented. Opinions are not facts, but some think they are. Compromise means one side would have to concede, and why would the side who is "winning" do that?
 
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#140 ·
she and her coherts dont understand it happy.. and they call us selfish [spy]
 
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