I went snowboarding with mfttom yesterday and on the way back we were on i80 I noticed a dodge ram pickup with a few hunting stickers. I couldnt tell if it was a bowhunter but I did see the buck sticker....right next to the Obama sticker...wtf? anyone on here? lol
Hunters support Obama?
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That is a total diff story and is not what we were talking about. Maybe you've never heard of the T D and H's shooting their spouses and the rest of their families but they are out their. All you hear is He was such a nice guy don't know what happened.
That is a total diff story and is not what we were talking about. Maybe you've never heard of the T D and H's shooting their spouses and the rest of their families but they are out their. All you hear is He was such a nice guy don't know what happened.
Vince You are so full of it! That law is just one more tool the gov't uses to take guns away. I spent 13 years as an LEO and no full well how Widely the law is abused.
Your precious democratic party is so hypocritical its rediculous. They will kill themselves to protect each and every one of the enumerated rights in the bill of rights but turn their backs on the 2nd.
The whole point of the 2nd amendment is not home defense, its not hunting, its not target shooting, and its not plinking tin cans. The basis for its inclusion in the bill of rights was because the founding fathers were affraid of the new government they were creating and wanted to retain the tools to "cast it off" as they did with the last government(you remember--the king). It's about the peaople retaining the power to stop government when it over reaches. If you have become placent and realy don't believe the goverment would ever abuse its power-You would be a fool! Just one more sheep for the goverement to fleece at its will.
And no I'm not some paranoid hill billy. I've worked for the government for 13 years, and have seen first hand how easily the system is manipulated.Oh Yeah I almost forgot. I have 2 Associate Degrees, a Bachelors Degree and my Doctorate. I think I know what I'm talking about. So carry your California attitude back to Donkey barn!
Your precious democratic party is so hypocritical its rediculous. They will kill themselves to protect each and every one of the enumerated rights in the bill of rights but turn their backs on the 2nd.
The whole point of the 2nd amendment is not home defense, its not hunting, its not target shooting, and its not plinking tin cans. The basis for its inclusion in the bill of rights was because the founding fathers were affraid of the new government they were creating and wanted to retain the tools to "cast it off" as they did with the last government(you remember--the king). It's about the peaople retaining the power to stop government when it over reaches. If you have become placent and realy don't believe the goverment would ever abuse its power-You would be a fool! Just one more sheep for the goverement to fleece at its will.
And no I'm not some paranoid hill billy. I've worked for the government for 13 years, and have seen first hand how easily the system is manipulated.Oh Yeah I almost forgot. I have 2 Associate Degrees, a Bachelors Degree and my Doctorate. I think I know what I'm talking about. So carry your California attitude back to Donkey barn!
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You mean AGAIN? Like they did under the current NJ "assault rifle" ban? You know, the one that banned the Marlin model 60 .22 and many other very common firearms?
You made a wide statement about banning all semi-automatic rifles. You didn't say just in NJ. Also, you CAN hunt in NJ with an AR type rifle. You really should educate yourself before making comments you know little about.
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No, we were discussing a national election, the left-wing Socialist who won it and what he may try to do to our gun rights.
And.... you said this:
Any other of your rights you advocate giving up?
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And banning AR's would stop this how????? I've been in houses where this has happened, on more than one occasion, (by shotgun, knife and drowning/strangulation) and it's a disaster when it does occur... Banning a certain type of weapon has NO effect on these type of situations. Let me know when you want to ban bathtubs and kitchen knives.
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maybe vince is black and voted for obama for the same reason all his other folks did, not to sound racist but maybe i am right?
I love how some of you show your very low I.Q. by making a racist statement and then try to justify it with the typical, "not to sound racist..." B.S.
Maybe Vince has an opinion and is voicing it. It's funny how so many people quote the constitution about getting your rights taken away, yet the most fundamental one, you try to take away from people all the time when they don't agree with what you're saying...[wallmad]
Correct....to a degree MTH, BUT times are a little different than a few hundred years ago when civilians needed a firearm to protect themselves against the government. I think you'd agree in the day we live in now, there isn't much need for a gun when trying to keep the government "in check". Let's be for real, we're talking about not wanting our hunting firearm rights infringed upon (none of us want that). Do you really think you are going to be using your T/C Pro Hunter to fend off the government in a dispute? If you're as educated as you say you are, then even you will agree with that.
What did you get your PHD in? That's a great accomplishment...
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As a law-abiding, non-criminal, non-psychopathic contributing member of society I don't want ANY of my firearms rights infringed... nor the rights of my 77 year old mother. This has nothing to do with hunting, it has to do with a right so important that our founding fathers found it necessary to stress it in the 2nd Amendment, right after our right to free speech and religion. Like revolutionary war era Ted Nugents. "God, Guns and Rock and Roll(free speech)
Vince absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants, no matter how wrong he may be.
While I will admit that times are different, I still see the need to have this tool available. Government overreaching is well documented, and in many "modern" cultures disarming the populace was simply the first step in subjugation. It can, and has happened. Even in the United states it does happen--ever heard of Ruby Ridge? how about that poor slob in california gunned down while in handcuffs lying prone on the ground? I'll keep clinging to my gun just in case. The founding father's made sure I have the right to do so.
Obviously not, that's what I have my dangerous .50 Cal CVA for[rofl]Clearly it's about sporting arms, collectors arms, and the plain jane right to go to the range once a week without pledging my first born child as collateral. But we have to be dilligent about preserving all aspects of the right to bear arms--not just the one's we hunt with. Once you conceed that you don't realy wan't that BMG so you'll give up the right to get one, that's a step in the anti-gun agenda achieved. Gun owners must present a unified front!
I have my AA in Liberal Arts, my AS in Criminal Justice, my BA in philosphy, and my J.D. (Juris Doctor-doctorate in law)
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This country wasn't founded a "few hundred years ago". Things are no different. The 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting. It's all about personal responsibility and protection be it from a government or a criminal. The government is still, and will always be, a real threat.
quote]Obviously not, that's what I have my dangerous .50 Cal CVA forClearly it's about sporting arms, collectors arms, and the plain jane right to go to the range once a week without pledging my first born child as collateral. But we have to be dilligent about preserving all aspects of the right to bear arms--not just the one's we hunt with. Once you conceed that you don't realy wan't that BMG so you'll give up the right to get one, that's a step in the anti-gun agenda achieved. Gun owners must present a unified front! [/quote]
I think we're both in agreement on 99% of the subject...
I think we're both in agreement on 99% of the subject...
Agreed, but we're talking the United States here...
You have a law degree...again, a great accompishment [up]
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