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I just sent a letter to the PA attorney general highlighting a great idea to make some extra revenue in this cash strapped recession. As you know, PA is "shall issue" and will give a non-res a concealed carry permit to a non-res if the applicant first has one from thier home state, if thier home state issued one to them first.. I suggested ammending the clause to read must have one from home state if the home state is also "shall issue" or issues then reasonably OR has a permit from a state that has reciprocity with PA. By doing so, the state could take in hundreds of thousands of extra revenue via permit fees from people who would otherwise qualify for them anyway, but are hung up on a technicality.

So, basically, if your home state does not issue any CCP at all , you could qualify for PA non-res no problem. If our state does issue them, you gotta get one here first and we all know that aint happening in NJ.


Yet, a NJ resident could obtain a CCP from Florida ,as I have done, and legally carry in PA, but cant get a PA faced permit. And to make it better, the PA state police were ignoring the reciprocity with FLA permits by NJ residents until the [same] attorney general specfically adressed the issue and told the PASP on the official AG site, adressed to the PA state police specifically ,that they are valid, no matter where the permit holder resides.

So ,they [ PA,AG's office]are definitly on our side, so It doesnt hurt to try and suggest that why not iron out that technically, and let PA collect all that permit revenue that FLA has been capitalizing on. Nothing beats a failure but a try. It only took a few letters in the past to get the FLA issue clarrified.

And why try to obtain a PA one while the FLA is just as good ? Because alot of Philly PD are biased and ignorant to the carry laws and reciprocity and will hassle the hell out of you anyway.

Here's the link if anyone else may be interested in shooting them an E-mail on the subject. http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

The Ag in charge of firearms laws is George Zaiser and is a great guy. I spoke with him personally in the past and he flat out said that his office wrote the carry laws and signed the agreements and He doesnt know what the Philly PD's mindset is, but they are WRONG in denying the validity of a FLA by NJ resident.
 
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How does a NJ resident go about getting one in Florida or Utah ?
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It's all done through the mail.Like Wooly bugger said, click the link above they will help you expidite the whole thing. I did mine on my own and it took less the 60 days and did it all by mail.
 
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Individual counties in PA all still issue them , but have to follow the criteria set by the AG's office for applicants and the permit is valid statewide , no matter where it was issued.
 
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I actually had one when I lived in NJ. I applied and didn't know at the time about not being eligible. I guess neither did the police cheif that signed off on it.
There was a couple of counties with pro-carry sheriffs that allowed NJ FID card as sufficient to get one, but alas word got out and some of the others that werent a fan of giving out the permits complained and they were forced to adhere to the standard of accepting only CHP permits instead of FID. I even asked myself, a few years back, to the secretary of one of the "friendly" sheriff depts in PA about accepting my NJ FID along with my FLA permit and she said as much as her office didnt have any problem with it, certain factions in the state ask them to stop allowing it.
 
Has anyone with a FLA. CCP been given a hard time in Pa when stopped in a Nj registered vehicle and a NJ drivers license? I cant imagine explaining that to a Phili cop if pulled over for routine traffic stop.
 
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Has anyone with a FLA. CCP been given a hard time in Pa when stopped in a Nj registered vehicle and a NJ drivers license? I cant imagine explaining that to a Phili cop if pulled over for routine traffic stop.
No, and I hope to never be the test case. The PA attorney generals firearms DA told me that philly cops better honor it and they cant change the law reguarding reciprocity just because they dont agree with it, because his office wrote and signed the agreements, not the Philly PD. He then said he wished there was a federal permit so we can end all this confusion by local officers that dont know or choose to play ignorant to the carry laws. I also called Philly PD's firearm permit division to see if they were aware of NJ residents being allowed to carry w the FLA permit, and when the officer I spoke with sensed I already knew about the AG's position, he reluctantly said NJ res were allowed to carry under the FLA permit and then actually admitted that they were actually better than a PA one because they are valid in 28 other states.

Then up until a year and a half ago, the PA state police were not accepting them from NJ residents, and really ticked off the AG's office for trying to usurp thier authority and overstep thier boundries , promtpting the PA AG to post this official statement on the AG's site, specifically directed to the PA state police to clearly define thier position about the subject.


http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184


Carrying Firearms in Pennsylvania - Frequently asked questions (by the Pennsylvania State Police)

Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit. It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.
 
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I have a NC CCP can I get it transfered to NJ or use it in PA also anyone know that answer?
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I'll assume you now live in NJ. If you do, then you first have to check with NC to see if they will allow you to change the status to non-res with your NJ residence on the NC permit. Hopefully that is what you mean by tranferring to it NJ. In no way shape of form will it permit you to carry in NJ , so dont even try it or you will find yourself in big trouble. Next step is to see PA will allow it by clicking on the link in the above post that willput you on the PA attorney general's website and will list PA's agreement with NC.
 
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