My wife was driving through Spruce Run just a few minutes ago and here comes a deer running across van syckles road with an arrow stcking out of it. Then here comes the hunter right behind him drawing his bow on the road while she is right there in minivan.
Looks Bad.
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It is not the anti's anyone should be concerned about. I could care less about them.
It is important to realize this kind of stuff could sway the segment of the non-hunting public that currently either supports hunting or is apathetic towards it. In my opinion, if we lose the support of those people there will be no hunting in NJ in 20 years, if not sooner. That's a reality we can't ignore.
I only take part in this debate because I am passionate about preserving our heritage.
I want to be able to p [no swearing please] this heritage on to my children and grandchildren so they can enjoy it the way my father and grandfather taught me to.
It is important to realize this kind of stuff could sway the segment of the non-hunting public that currently either supports hunting or is apathetic towards it. In my opinion, if we lose the support of those people there will be no hunting in NJ in 20 years, if not sooner. That's a reality we can't ignore.
I only take part in this debate because I am passionate about preserving our heritage.
I want to be able to p [no swearing please] this heritage on to my children and grandchildren so they can enjoy it the way my father and grandfather taught me to.
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As we all do Mike, as we all do.
I agree that these things could sway the non-hunting public to become anti-hunting! However, where does the public get this info?
From the biased mouths and pens of anti-hunters, thats where. The general public rarely hears our side of it. They arent the ones searching this forum, the antis are.
So no matter what you write on here, it will make its way into a newspaper or onto another website, and be manipulated and twisted in favor of the anti-hunting agenda. Whether you write about your sons first deer hunt, or if you talk about techniques for recovering a wounded animal. The antis can and always will do their best to spin it around.
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of course she doesn't know all of the events that happened before she came across this. she wasn't threatened in any way or was she mad at the guy. she's used to seeing deer i bring home and butcher and all. she was just telling me about what she saw when she saw it. she has no idea of all the events around it. he didn't shoot across the road i know. she told me he didn't. as for all of Matty's remarks he is correct. you don't know what happened.
like i said before, i just posted this to make a hunter think before doing something like this.
I just asked my wife again about it. she said it happened so fast. he did not shoot across the road. she just happened across it at the time it happened. just like matty says, you don't know all the details that surround events leading up to her seeing the guy.
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I agree!
My question is how to convey our love, and WHY we love the sport to the general public. Many people today are very sensitive to death and detached from reality. Hunting is brutal, it is death, but it is nature, it is REAL, it is survival.
Too many people forget about where their Wendy's hamburger came from.
I feel a lot more pride and a closeness, and respect for my food when I bite into a venison burger that I HUNTED, I DRAGGED, I BUTCHERED, and I COOKED....Than when I drive to burger king and eat a whopper jr.
You cant explain that pride and respect to anyone that hasnt experienced it.
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for my wife to see the deer and the guy run across the road i would say he was either tracking it and kicked it up right next to the road or he was another hunter who came across it and kicked it up. the hunter wouldn't have been so close to the deer to be on his tail as so to say.
lol!
I'm not questioning anyones pride and the sewing example was just to show that no matter what you choose to do with your life it can be attacked by ignorance!!! Mike, I think most of us on this site are on the same page or at least in the same chapter when it comes to wanting the non-hunting public to understand us and the good hunting does! One purpose of this site is to get our minds together so we can come up with idea's to get our message out there! The non-hunting public see's a lot of the anti's twisted version of things and we need to find a way to get the real facts about hunting and hunters out there to counter their lies....
I like your idea's on this matter and will help out in anyway I can! Coming up with a site that shows all the facts about hunting and it's positive effects is a great idea! Having the site show the science side over the emotional side of hunting will really help but coming up with a site to show these things is a very small part of the task! Look at a site like ConserveNJBears... A great site based on the science of bears in nature. The information comes from facts and not emotion! This site has everything the non-hunting public needs to see! Now the biggest problem with a site like this is getting the non-hunting public there to see it! Chances are anyone doing a search on the NJ black bears is either a hunter or an anti and their minds are already made up about which side of the fence they are on.... So how do we get those non-hunting, non-anti people sitting on the fence to the site to educate them on a topic they probably don't really care about? That is the answer we need to find! The anti's flood the papers, magazinse, radio stations, billboards, ect..ect... with their lies and the non-hunting public sees there message and consciously or subconsiously that message sticks in their head! This is where we are losing the battle! This is where we need to find a new answer. Our money goes towards actually helping nature but theirs goes towards swaying the general public against us! There is a lot of work to be done to counter this....
Sorry for running on about this....
Stu really is a moron. Not only did he misquote something in writing (probably intentional) but if he is going to lie at least make a good one.
Also Stu: Use spell check the next time you spell "pursuit"
No kids in the car and the idiot probably didn't realize that it was Saturday when it happened. So much for school kids. So much for attempting to paint a picture of Mrs. Woj shuttling kids to school.
Also Stu: Use spell check the next time you spell "pursuit"
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That wasn't really Stu, that was me depicting how he may twist things, like he did with his last letter to the editor that was published in many major NJ papers reaching millions of people.
i think that a fellow hunter is twisting and distorting the facts just to prove his stupid point...woj was reporting something he thought we should know and some of his fellow hunters feel the need to put him down...woj knows stu likes to twist the facts but we dont need bloodtrails twisting the facts too.
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Well, Stu is actually helping with that. Remember, he is giving plenty of people the site address with his letters. So you have to ask yourself, considering it's out there for all to see, are you comfortable posting the things being posted for all to see? That means hunters, anti-hunters, and non-hunters. I don't particularly care about what Stu and his kind think...they are operating in the lunatic fringe, and will not change their warped beliefs by what is posted here. I'm talking about those who don't have an opinion of hunters or hunting...what opinion would they form from reading the topics here? Not Stu's words, but ours? That should be the gauge when posting things here...how will those who don't hunt, but don't necessarily dislike hunting, perceive what was written here? Remember, Stu is givng that address to everyone, not just his group of emotionally unstable individuals.
When he gives that out and says...go check out newjerseyhunter.com, people who are not hunters or anti-hunters may click on the site to see what's going on. They will form an opinion from what they see here, not just what some emotionally super-sentive, borderline wacko's, interpretation of what he read here is.
The vast majority of those who take someone like Stuart at his word are people who are like him. Those are the ones going to believe his twisted rendition of what really happened. Others, who may be curious, will come check it out...and they will see that the "hunter" in question is this incident is being berated for his actions. But, they will also see all the other things we post, if they look around, and to be honest, that isn't always a pretty picture.
I'm sure we all know some person, maybe many people, who don't hunt, don't understand hunting but don't really dislike hunters or hunting. Their opinion could be swayed either way, and we occassionally work on convincing them hunting is good and hunters are good people. Would you be proud to show them all the topics here...all of them?
If you were trying to convince a non-hunting landowner of the virtues of hunters and hunting to gain access to their land, would you be willing to send them to this site to form an opinion of hunters and hunting? Would this site help or hurt your ambition to gain access to that property?
Those are the kinds of things we should be thinking about before making posts in my opinion. That isn't to say we should sterilize this site. Blood trails and descriptions of hunts are fine...that is part of it, and may actually be interesting to many people (I think Dan's photo essay was a great read for hunters and non-hunters alike). And pictures of entrance or exit wounds aren't bad...they can show our accuracy, and be used as learning aids to new hunters. A little time should be given to taking good pictures of animals, clean them up a little, put the tongue back (skip the pictures of the heart or lungs with broadhead X's through them) and leave some of the locker room dialogue in the locker room (e-mail or chats).
On the whole, this place is pretty clean, but since we have been getting more members, we've gotten more opinions, and more disagreements and a wider variety of what is posted. Remember to keep it civil. Non-hunters who come check it out will gauge who we are by how we treat those with whom we have such a kinship as hunting.
Just some thought on a slow Sunday.
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Mack,
It was simply an illustration. And not far from the truth of what Stu and his irk really does. No disrespect to Woj.
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