Michigan Too?

aceoky · Jul 11, 2008

You just have to read between F&G and pro crossbow's hidden agenda

There is NO "hidden agenda"....

THE WHOLE "agenda" is to allow CrossBOWS in ALL bow seasons for ALL who want them EXACTLY as was once done for YOUR COMPOUND BOW....

It is NOT "that hard to comprehend" (or support)...

MUCH better for ALL concerned to actually support our own kind than to FIGHT against them.....

But then again we KNOW that MOST already KNOW that, and EVERY survey being done is PROVING just that --FACT

aceoky · Jul 11, 2008

Read it AGAIN Fred I most certainly DID in fact do exactly THAT.....

MOST here KNOW what was "going on" and that WAS the TRUTH......

I did NOT want to bring it up (yet again) but I'm NOT going to constantly called a liar by ANYONE....

IF he INSISTS on TRYING to harm MY credibility, then he WILL have to deal with HIS OWN FOOLISHNESS.....simple as that Fred

NJ_Bowhntr · Jul 11, 2008

FIRST THING that is OBVIOUS is that ONLY 911 RESPONDED TO THAT PARTICULAR question (NOT the 1047 YOU TRIED to "claim

Only 911 responded to that particular question because that particular question is: Would you support crossbows for hunters of a certain age; what age(s) should be legal?

Obviously, those surveyed who do not support crossbows for anyone would not answer this question. Does that mean you just discount them because they didn't give the answer you wanted to hear?

Here is another way of looking at what they (and you) are doing.

Say the State surveyed 2000 people on Govenor Corzine, 1000 of them respond and answer the survey. In question 5, they ask: If you approve of the Governors job, what rating would you give it? Out of the 1000 people surveyed, only 100 answer this question because the rest don't approve of the Governor. Of those 100, 70 give the Governor a "good" rating. Would it be accurate to say that 70 percent, or the "vast majority" rate the Governor's job approval as "good"? No, it wouldn't. That is just a shady government, dishonest attempt to manipulate numbers, it's exactly what they have done in this survey, and like I said, it's sad to see it from those who I had previously respected.

I posted that 85 percent of the 1047 people surveyed did not support the proposal, and that is correct. Only 911 answered that because the rest don't approve of crossbows for anyone, and obviously don't support the proposal. You know this, yet you continue to try and misled others.

FACT-of the 1047 surveyed, only 156 chose to support crossbow use for all ages. Grab a calculator and do the math. That is 15 percent. That means the other 85 percent did not choose to support the proposal, or as you like to say, full inclusion. Any attempt to say otherwise is twisting the numbers. You know it, you are wrong, and you continue to lie about it-FACT.

One more time aceoky: what number of people from that survey support crossbow use for all hunters during all bow seasons. No spin, no twisted verbage, just the raw numbers...of the 1047 respondents surveyed, how many supported crossbows for all hunters in all bow seasons? If there really is all this support, as you claim, you should have no problem posting that number up.

Dubs · Jul 11, 2008

Doug... dont hold your breathe

11pointer · Jul 11, 2008

EXACTLY as was once done for YOUR COMPOUND BOW....

JIMEIV already covered this there wasnt much resistance against compounds as you have been misleading people to believe that makes you a liar

doug once again he wont give you the exact number without a spin to it he cant because his credibility would be shot more than it already is FACT

aceoky · Jul 11, 2008

Only 911 responded to that particular question because that particular question is: Would you support crossbows for hunters of a certain age; what age(s) should be legal?

So Doug YOU admit you "twisted the numbers and Facts to suit your agenda" ( YOU CLEARLY stated "out of 1047 who responded") FACT

[rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]

Obviously, those surveyed who do not support crossbows for anyone would not answer this question.

Obviously DUH.....

I've already explained THAT very point AND they ARE accounted for in the REAL NUMBERS (the ones YOU don't want folks to KNOW)....

Out of the 1000 people surveyed, only 100 answer this question because the rest don't approve of the Governo

Allow ME to answer THAT BS with what YOU said..

Here is another way of looking at what they (and you) are doing.

YOU have NO POINT in that "analogy" (nor do I think that you REALLY believe that you do)....BECAUSE there WERE 911 of the 1074 who DID respond, (NOT THE meager 10% in YOUR silly example)....in the first place AGAIN........YOU are TRYING to count the same People more than once.....[down][down][down][down]

It's NOT "working" at all for you either, don't care IF you REALLY "think" it is, MOST can see the TRUTH ...

it's exactly what they have done in this survey,

NO it's NOT (and I'm getting quite tired of explaining THE TRUTH over and over to YOU) GET A TUTOR IF YOU REALLY CAN"T COMPREHEND THE SURVEY results.....Doug....

It's NOT "that complicated" and YOU are NOT "confusing anyone " (as I have NO doubt IS your "plan")....

FACT-of the 1047 surveyed, only 156 chose to support crossbow use for all ages. Grab a calculator and do the math. That is 15 percent.

NOT "fact" TOTAL BS!!

AGAIN (for the slow of brain)....

THERE were NOT 1047 Answers (and you've admitted KNOWING this FACT)

PAY attention CLOSELY (this time)

Participants were

given a choice of six age groups

and told to circle all that pertain,

which resulted in 14 permutations;

only those amounting to >1% are graphed.
ALL RESPONDENTS (n = 911)

THREE WERE IN FACT SIX possible answers AND (this is the important part that EXPOSES YOU for what you ARE)....Multiple responses WERE ASKED FOR.....Meaning YOUR FALSE, FAKE, MADE UP, FICTITIOUS 15% CAN NOT be found ANYWHERE .......FACT

I WILL "TRY to make it easy for EVEN YOU to understand"....

Had there been ONLY Five such possible answers, Anything Over/Greater than > 20% WOULD IN FACT be a MAJORITY......

There WERE in FACT SIX.......so ANY numbers > 16% WERE Majority numbers--FACT

There WERE ONLY TWO SUCH NUMBERS and they WERE:

ALL AGES
Over 17

PERIOD...

THOSE Were the ONLY MAJORITY CHOICES.....PERIOD (and neither are 15% either)

IF you still "don't see" where YOU are WRONG (dead wrong), find someone who CAN explain it better than this.....but make NO mistake that IS how it IS....

WE also KNOW from the chart that "I" posted that 78% DID in FACT support All Seasons or All Bow Seasons (ALL season DOES include bow season)...

You have (once again) been PROVEN wrong with the REAL Numbers (NO twisting as you TRY to allege)

Time to deal with that reality, especially since Your Own UBNJ membership does NOT (by a majority) Oppose this, there can be NO doubt NOW by Anyone that MOST do NOT oppose this..

Again Doug YOU disappoint me, after KNOWING (from the Survey results, we KNOW YOU have read)

YOU TRY TO CLAIM 85% don't support full inclusion, KNOWING that 60% said THEY would use one when legal.....

How can even YOU "think" those who want to hunt with a crossBOW themselves would say they don't want them....

THAT is absurd......FACT

You know it, you are wrong, and you continue to lie about it-FACT.

NO......

THAT would be YOU.....

NOW you have NO "excuse", it's been explained so that a seventh grade student (and one not so good in Math ) can understand it.....

aceoky · Jul 11, 2008

Doug... dont hold your breathe

He's WRONG ........he'd be better off holding his breath.....

Everyone KNOWS he's WRONG..

His "numbers" are NOT THERE (as he stated they were) HE MADE THEM UP, with "foolish math" that NO High School student couldn't see through , those of us who have studied statistical analysis in College KNOW how foolish his MADE UP "numbers" really are.....FACT

I have to "wonder" WHY it is, the Anti Side will, PAT BS Talker's on the back so VERY easily, but TRY to DISTORT the truth at every chance???

IF his "numbers" were even remotely CLOSE, it would be "different", he's pulling s**t out of the air and you ANTI CrossBOW Folks don't even seem to care.....[down][down][down]

Doug has (over and over and over again) been shown THE FACT that he's WAY off, and he's "overlooking" the Multiple Answers....

Still he calls me a liar , when it's NOT ME that IS LYING......FACT

There is NOW NO excuse for him TRYING to post that BS any longer, it's TOTALLY 100% REFUTED by facts....

We shall see IF he still does so anyway....

aceoky · Jul 11, 2008

One more time aceoky: what number of people from that survey support crossbow use for all hunters during all bow seasons.

Doug I've Already told YOU many times.....

THE VAST MAJORITY........

I KNOW that YOU "don't like that FACT", but that IS how it IS.....

Even the UBNJ membership is NOT against it--Time to face reality

NOW ONE MORE TIME DOUG....

WHAT (exactly ) ARE the REAL Numbers and percentages of the UBNJ Survey?

YOU KEEP on TRYING TO "knock" NJ F&G Survey.....Man up and TELL US ALL the REAL Numbers of YOUR UBNJ survey......[wallmad]

WHAT are YOU folks trying to HIDE from us?

The Folks have a right to KNOW the TRUTH....the UBNJ membership most certainly does....

NJ F&G put "IT ALL OUT THERE" for you to TRY to manipulate (and you HAVE TRIED , but to no avail)

NOW YOU tell us all, what the UBNJ survey results REALLY were...

NO Spin, BS , "virtually split down the middle" (THAT COULD be 60%-40%......and NO UBNJ Officer said "50-50" that I have seen)....

I can understand WHY you folks wouldn't want it to get out IF the MAJORITY did support this...

What I can NOT understand is WHY you "think" that YOU can TWIST and spin to try to deceive folks on the F&G Survey, but HIDE UBNJ Actual Results.....

Dubs · Jul 12, 2008

Doug i think you pushed "The Deceiver's" button.

Ace calm down... take a breathe... your blood pressure is starting to rise. [hihi][hihi]

11pointer · Jul 12, 2008

when people are caught in the deception that is how they act

NJ_Bowhntr · Jul 12, 2008

aceoky, you typed alot of crap there to try and hide the fact you are wrong, and intentionally posting false information.

If you think the survey supports full inclusion, tell me, out of the 1047 people that responded to the survey, what number supported all ages, all bow seasons? I know how many DIDN'T support it, that number is at least 891 of the 1047-FACT, right from the survey. If you think I'm wrong, then tell me, how many did choose all ages/all bow seasons for crossbow support. Simple question, show me the number.

If you think more supported it, post the number up. If you can't, then admit you are wrong and move on.

aceoky · Jul 12, 2008

Doug

NOTHING I "typed" is Misinformation-PERIOD

nor is it False, inaccurate OR misleading it IS FACT..

Deal with the TRUTH (it won't kill you this once)

I know how many DIDN'T support it, that number is at least 891 of the 1047-FACT,

WRONG.....

PLEASE get a MATH TUTOR..seriously

I am TIRED of TRYING to explain something SO SIMPLE to you.......

YOU are DEAD WRONG- FACT

"I" don't care IF you don't believe it , don't like it, or don't understand it, that IS how it IS....

If you think more supported it, post the number up. If you can't, then admit you are wrong and move on.
__________________

MAKE ME...

YOU tell ME

WHAT the REAL NUMBERS were from the UBNJ survey....

Why do YOU "think" you can tell me what to do?

I've explained the TRUTH to YOU (and several times)

YOU TRY to CLAIM, that 85% don't support full inclusion, but KNOW that 60% said THEY would use one when Legal to do so...

YOUR foolishness is boring.....

WHY would 85% not support this, but 60% say THEY WOULD hunt with a CrossBOW when legal?

They would NOT and EVERYONE KNOWS IT.....

NOT only THAT.....

78% STATED

ALL BOW SEASONS OR ALL SEASONS (including BOW seasons)

Get over IT already YOU have NO chance of convincing ANYONE of your FALSE "numbers"

MINE ARE THERE....

"I" posted THE GRAPH and the LINK TO PROVE IT....FACT

YOUR "numbers" ARE NOT Found on the Survey ANYWHERE-Fact

Simple "as that"

NJ_Bowhntr · Jul 12, 2008

WHAT the REAL NUMBERS were from the UBNJ survey....

It's not my place to release that information.

YOUR "numbers" ARE NOT Found on the Survey ANYWHERE-Fact

Another lie from you. From page two of the survey: "A survey was mailed to 2,030 resident hunters who purchased licenses using the Divisions automated licensing system. One thousand, forty-seven surveys were returned"

And, from page 17 of the survey, the number who chose support for crossbows for all ages = 156.

Liar Liar, crossbow on fire. [rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]

You seem to be pretty sure of yourself, but you don't have any numbers to back up your claims. I guess that's because there are no numbers to back up your claims, you are just spouting false information, again, with no numbers to back it up.

Typical, pathetic, deceptive behavior from you.

Out of the 1047 surveyed, 156 chose to support crossbows for all ages-FACT. Therefore, 891 DID NOT choose to support crossbow use for all ages-FACT.

If those numbers are wrong, prove it...post up how many did support crossbow use for all ages. If you can't(and we both know you can't

), admit you are wrong and move on.

Dubs · Jul 12, 2008

Ace do you hear that flushing sound?????

That's your credibility.[lol][lol]

aceoky · Jul 12, 2008

You seem to be pretty sure of yourself, but you don't have any numbers to back up your claims

NO......

THAT would be YOU

Again ALL of MY NUMBERS ARE THERE,

Your "numbers" that YOU MADE UP....are not, and that's the FACT of the entire matter....

ANYONE Can easily and clearly see that FACT simply by looking at the Survey Results

aceoky · Jul 12, 2008

Dubs.....

"sure it is"[eyeroll][eyeroll][eyeroll]

HOW (exactly) do you "think" MY credibility is being "flushed"

"I" CAN (and have) Easily prove MY numbers.....

SHOW ME HIS.....

YOU CAN NOT....

HE MADE THEM UP Period

NOW he is taking YOUR credibility "down" with HIS

HOW [lol][lol][lol] IS that FACT???

Dubs, you're smart enough....

So please answer me THIS

IF 85% (as Doug Tries so hard to defend) actually don't want this.....

WHY DID 60% say THEY WOULD hunt with a CrossBOW when Legalized?

11pointer · Jul 12, 2008

Liar Liar, crossbow on fire.

[rofl][rofl]

ace of spades you think your pretty good with backing up FACTS ...and you work with states DNR'S remember? what are the numbers?...doug has presented this ? 3 times with no number from you...c'mon mr 78 percent where the NUMBER

NJ_Bowhntr · Jul 12, 2008

HOW (exactly) do you "think" MY credibility is being "flushed"

Just like this...

Again ALL of MY NUMBERS ARE THERE

So post up the number who supported crossbows for all ages/all bow seasons.

Your "numbers" that YOU MADE UP....are not, and that's the FACT of the entire matter....

More lies. From page two of the survey: ""A survey was mailed to 2,030 resident hunters who purchased licenses using the Divisions automated licensing system. One thousand, forty-seven surveys were returned"

And from page 17 of the survey: "Q5. Would you support crossbows for hunters of a certain age; what age(s) should be legal?" All ages received 156 votes. That means the rest of those surveyed (891 people) did not support all ages-FACT http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/pdf/2008/xbowsurvey07.pdf

Keep telling those whoppers, you just look silly. [rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]

aceoky · Jul 12, 2008

Another lie from you.

[rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]

Nice TRY....

NOW SHOW US THE 85% and THE 15%

YOU CAN NOT........THEY ARE NOT THERE

LIE about it Doug All you want

YOU are NOT fooling anyone and calling ME a liar when it's you the one Changing the numbers around is pretty stupid-FACT

the number who chose support for crossbows for all ages = 156.

Can YOU REALLY NOT READ Doug?

That was ONLY one answer of SIX they said to "circle all"....

HOW do YOU "explain" how the two TOP answers (VAST MAJORITY)

WERE IN FACT

ALL AGES
AND
OVER 17

WE KNOW FOR A FACT that those WERE the MAJORITY ANSWERS

YET YOU CONTINUE TO LIE and say 15%.....[down]

NOT only is you math in SERIOUS "error" you can NOT show ANYONE YOUR "numbers" of 85% and 15% ANYWHERE in the survey Results-PERIOD

THEY are NOT there, NEVER were there and exist ONLY in YOUR MIND...FACT

aceoky · Jul 12, 2008

It's not my place to release that information.

Then YOU have NO business making up numbers from the NJ F&G SURVEY.....

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