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Listen to the testimony on nj.gov starting at 4:37:30.

Assemblywoman Joan Quigley quotes from yesterday's testimony regarding her bill:

"There are too many people that can legitimately buy guns, do so, and then lose them and then in a very short time, those guns are used in homicides."

"I think that anybody who really wants more than 12 guns a year has got a problem."

"If you're not a collector, you're not in law enforcement and you're not a dealer, I'm sorry if this bill inconveniences you.

"...but if you need more than 12 guns a year, live with a little inconvenience."

Assemblyman Michael Carroll's response, "What can one say to that?" "Your logic is simply blinding..."

Which sparked uproarious laughter and applause from the Assembly.

Carroll was excellent on how the party of the people doesn't represent the people nor the Constitution.

More from Carroll speaking about his own experience with firearms "...raised by a mother who thought guns where an instrument of the Devil ala our sponsor." Which brought more laughter.

Carroll again on shooting with friends from Virginia,

"The looks of disdain and disgust on the faces of freedom loving folk everywhere really disgust me. To hail from New Jersey represents a mark of profound shame. They shake their heads and they look at me as if I've lost my mind. Why? They ask, "Would someone who values freedom even think of living in such a repressive state?" And Mr. Speaker, at this time, with the Legislature about to embarrass the state once again, I sometimes wonder why myself."

"Somehow the rest of the country gets along just fine respecting the rights of the people to have arms.
Why pray tell is it always New Jersey's place to act with stupidity? Just when you think the state policy can't get any sillier, along comes a policy like this, making us yet again, an interstate laughing stock.
Apparently, some folks can't get it through their heads that other folks like to shoot even more than twelve guns a year."

"Instead they insist on imposing even more Draconian restrictions upon freedom. This bill represents yet another effort to needlessly harass law-abiding citizens. Since it cannot be defended logically, the only possible conclusion a rational observer can arrive, is it's purpose is just that…to make life difficult for gun owners perhaps with the hope they move to freedom loving states like Pennsylvania leaving New Jersey a little utopia where only criminals and cops possess guns.

"Mr. Speaker put simply, if …and the rest of the founders trusted the people why doesn't Quigley?" "For what it's worth Mr. Speaker; it is a profound distrust of the people. It can be explained no other way."

…(the bill) is yet another anti-freedom step.

"Many of the supporters of this proposal in their honest moments would happily support an outright ban on private firearms."
 
wow.......thats really all I have to say......wow
 
Michael Carroll represents me here in the 25th, and we sometimes speak. He is a good man.

It is so hard for him, and others like him, to help us. After the redistricting plan that Sen Cody pushed through in 2001(?), the democrats will always rule, and they know it. He is angry and frustrated over it. Still, he fights for us.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
How your rep voted:

Addiego, Dawn Marie - Abstain
Albano, Nelson T. - No
Amodeo, John F. - No
Angelini, Mary Pat - Yes
Barnes, Peter J., III - Yes
Biondi, Peter J. - No
Bramnick, Jon M. - Yes
Burzichelli, John J. - No
Caputo, Ralph R. - Yes
Carroll, Michael Patrick - No
Casagrande, Caroline - No
Chiappone, Anthony - Yes
Chiusano, Gary R. - No
Chivukula, Upendra J. - Yes
Cohen, Neil M. - Yes
Conaway, Herb, Jr. - Yes
Conners, Jack - Yes
Coutinho, Albert - Yes
Coyle, Denise M. - No
Cruz-Perez, Nilsa - Yes
Cryan, Joseph - Yes
Dancer, Ronald S. - No
DeAngelo, Wayne P. - Yes
DeCroce, Alex - No
Diegnan, Patrick J., Jr. - Yes
Doherty, Michael J. - No
Egan, Joseph V. - Yes
Evans, Elease - Yes
Fisher, Douglas H. - No
Giblin, Thomas P. - Yes
Green, Jerry - Yes
Greenstein, Linda R. - Yes
Greenwald, Louis D. - Yes
Gusciora, Reed - Yes
Handlin, Amy H. - Yes
Holzapfel, James W. - No
Jasey, Mila M. - Yes
Johnson, Gordon M. - Yes
Karrow, Marcia A. - No
Lampitt, Pamela R. - Yes
Love, Sandra - Yes
Malone, Joseph R., III - No
McHose, Alison Littell - No
McKeon, John F. - Yes
Merkt, Richard A. - No
Milam, Matthew W. - No
Moriarty, Paul D. - Yes
Munoz, Eric - Yes
O'Scanlon, Declan J., Jr. - No
Oliver, Sheila Y. - Yes
Polistina, Vincent J. - No
Pou, Nellie - Yes
Prieto, Vincent - Yes
Quigley, Joan M. - Yes
Ramos, Ruben J., Jr. - Yes
Rible, David P. - Yes
Roberts, Joseph J., Jr. - Yes
Rodriguez, Caridad - Yes
Rooney, John E. - No
Rudder, Scott - Abstain
Rumana, Scott T. - No
Rumpf, Brian E. - No
Russo, David C. - No
Scalera, Frederick - Yes
Schaer, Gary S. - Yes
Smith, L. Harvey - Yes
Spencer, L. Grace - Yes
Stender, Linda - Yes
Thompson, Samuel D. - Not Voting
Tucker, Cleopatra G. - Yes
Vainieri Huttle, Valerie - Yes
Van Pelt, Daniel M. - No
Vandervalk, Charlotte - No
Vas, Joseph - Yes
Voss, Joan M. - Abstain
Wagner, Connie - Yes
Watson Coleman, Bonnie - Yes
Webber, Jay - No
Wisniewski, John S. - Abstain
Wolfe, David W. - No
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
"...live with a little inconvenience."


I talked to one of yesterday's Assembly speakers against this bill. She said people in New Jersey just don't give a shit. I was only the SECOND phone call thanking the legislator for fighting hard against this bill. The firearm owner has given up.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
Republicans voting for the bill:

Angelini (11th)
Rible (11th)
Handlin (13th)
Coyle (16th)
Munoz (21st)

What can the NRA do when there are so few legislators that will listen to them?

We need a grassroots NJOA-type, political action committee to educate legislators on firearms.
 
What can the NRA do when there are so few legislators that will listen to them?

We need a grassroots NJOA-type, political action committee to educate legislators on firearms.
You are so right, Tom. Also need more intelligent voters and more people to get involved. Can never have "enough" emails sent and/or phone calls placed to your legislators regarding such important issues, IMO.
 
The NRA members need to show in Numbers by calling their reps.

Numbers and voting are the only way to get a politician's attention.

The NRA will back you, but they need to see the membership backing them with writing, calling and contacting their legislature.

The NRA interviened when they tried to pass the ammo bill, you just didn't hear to much about it..
 
Its really frustrating living in a District where you know your representatives are dead set against you. Take this bill for example, I made calls to Greenstein and Deangleo, but its clear as day that they just dont care. Feel good legislation like this one is their bread and butter.

Ill reach out to Senator Baroni and see what he has to say about this bill when it gets in front of the Senate.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Ill reach out to Senator Baroni and see what he has to say about this bill when it gets in front of the Senate.
Why wait? Call him today and set up a meeting.
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
If you listen to her testimony, Quigley doesn't use the word "handgun" she says "guns". In her mind, she makes no distinction between handguns, muzzleloaders and shotguns. She'd rather have all guns eliminated.


"...but if you need more than 12 guns a year, live with a little inconvenience."
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
JJoe, can you shake up some people at your club to get on the phone and call their reps?
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
Only the way to stop this is to get the message to every firearm owner you know TODAY.

"We the People" will put an end to this.

You have high violent crime in Jersey City Quigley?

Start with Mayor Healy slugging cops at the Jersey shore. A fish stinks from the head down Quigs! How can you end violent crime when your mayor participates in it?

Your own mayor probably couldn't pass the criminal history check for a handgun.
 
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