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Still halfrack, YOU conveniently ignore the FACT that so many other TOTALLY different states were NOT affected/effected in ANY negative ways (though the SAME EXACT "predictions" were in Fact made)......Fact


As for the way NJ F&G are "handling" that I don't speak for them and don't intend to "try" to either :)
 
yeah i put crossbows in the same category as freedom of speech and freedom of choice and overall freedom ..please, that is a tactic used for yrs by crossbow seekers everwhere
Fred.......

IT is a matter of freedom and choice and NO more, It's sad that you don't seem to realize that.....

HOW (exactly) do you folks THINK "YOU" would be effected/affected in ANY Negative way by allowing OTHER BOW hunters to choose the crossbow for themselves???

YOU (NONE of you) would be asked forced or otherwise "pushed" to use one yourselves, STILL you FEW wish to try to tell OTHER fellow hunters how and what to bow hunt with????[down] (even though it obviously does NOT and can not affect/effect any of you ANY more than compound bows now do)[down][down][down]
 
Hello Ace



Still halfrack, YOU conveniently ignore the FACT that so many other TOTALLY different states were NOT affected/effected in ANY negative ways (though the SAME EXACT "predictions" were in Fact made)......Fact

But this state is like no other, take anything here and predict the best case scenario and then the worst. In the end in NJ it will unfortunately be the worst......Fact:)
 
i have explained this so many times. work on the broken things first. 6 buck limit unlimited does on public land thats important not crossbows...many on the opposition have said if we had stricter limits they would except crossbows with open arms. if you allow crossbows first ..lets throw a number out there 10 thousand plus NEW hunters...what will happen to the herd then? when on public land that has unlimited does guys arent seeing many deer now or any and thats alot of the reason why hunters stopped hunting here
 
Fred, those "broken things" were there and could have (should have) been fixed already, that's still NO good reason to oppose crossbows, and having MORE hunters fighting for changes will help everyone involved, as far as "say ten thousand NEW hunters", well as most know NEW bow hunters are not exactly a "threat" to the whitetail species anyway..... :D

Hello maximus, NO state "is exactly like any other" YET, crossBOW inclusion IS proven to work in ALL of them, coincidence??? :)
 
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latest info on Mi:

Dear Michigan Crossbow Supporters:

HB 5741, overwhelmingly passed the full House today to allow for full inclusion of crossbows on a vote of 94-14-2. Passing with well above the the 2/3rds threshold, the bill was given immediate effect. Two attempts to amend the bill for less than full inclusion failed to gain support. This is a historic moment for Michigan hunting. Thanks to all of you who sent e-mails in support of the bill to your legislators. Now, on to the Senate!

Sincerely,

Joel Sheltrown
State Representative
103rd House District
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Mathews Drenalin 65#, 28.5"
Easton Axis HIT 400's
Rage 2-blade
QAD Ultra Rest HD
Apex 5-pin Sight
 
I am not grasping at anything. If you read and followed my problem you would know it is with the way F&G is handling this whole matter.
That's NOT a "crossbow issue" either and MOST don't share your "problem" Either, just perhaps they don't want to hear the UBNJ [cry][cry][cry] for months Acting like the represent ALL NJ Bowhunters having already proven they say one thing then do the opposite .......

Maybe there Are other reasons, but they don't really HAVE to do that, and they don't answer to YOU either.....

THEY DO answer to the Majority of NJ Hunters and it's VERY clear they do NOT Oppose FULL CrossBOW inclusion.....Fact

There is NO good or valid reason why they would, the "scare tactics" and unfounded fears having been refuted here for well over a year, have NOT been ignored by most.......Period

While a VERY LOUD FEW, make as "much noise" as possible can TRY to CLAIM, they are the majority, WHERE is the proof?

WE have the proof of what the Vast Majority want, the F&G Scientific Survey PROVES it!

THEY have Less than Nothing (other than claims they have failed to back up)--Fact
 
the "scare tactics" and unfounded fears having been refuted here for well over a year, have NOT been ignored by most.......Period
I wouldnt say they were refuted. You put up alot of So Called Facts for all too see, as you can see those facts don't mean a thing in NJ. Those facts apply to the states that similiar population density and huntable land.
 
those thousand plus that you claim want crossguns are selfish as some1 said earlier[hihi]
 
I wouldnt say they were refuted.
[rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]

And "I" don't care what YOU "say"......

YOU have admitted YOUR own selfish desires and that YOU "feel more entitled" than others......


You put up alot of So Called Facts for all too see,
YOU CLAIM that, BUT can NOT refute ANY of them.....FACT

Understand THIS REALITY

"I" don't care IF you like ME or hate me....what "I" have stated IS FACT and YOU won't EVER change it

YOU want "YOUR own peace and quiet without crossBOW hunters being there with YOU"

YOU will NEED to buy YOUR OWN LAND to achieve that goal.......

NO ONE OWES YOU THAT and for YOU TO EXPECT it is not only SELFISH, but absurd......like "I" said YOU ARE in "your own little tiny world" where REALITY isn't allowed.......

And I DO NOT care HOW you take it , like it or otherwise, it's A FACT!

WHAT (exactly) do YOU "THINK" that YOU have "done" to "DESERVE" much less EXPECT YOUR DESIRES to be of ANY MORE "importance" than the crossbow hunters who just like those who wanted to use compound (which YOU admit to using, but NEGLECT TO UNDERSTAND were ALSO NOT LEGAL at one time during "bow seasons")

TRUTH is, YOU are NO "better" or "different", YOU just THINK that you are!!

Deal with the TRUTH (or don't) doesn't matter to ME at all.........
 
those thousand plus that you claim want crossguns are selfish
"I" NEVER claimed ANYONE wanted "crossguns" back that UP IF YOU CAN......

And HOW (exactly) IS it "selfish" to want crossBOWS to be legal same as WAS fought HARD for like the COMPOUND YOU US FRED???

Like I said

SELFISH HYPOCRITES.......FACT

Plain and simple enough for a Five Year Old to see EASILY

AND THAT IS why YOU folks won't get "your way"

NO one ELSE CARES what OTHER FELLOW HUNTERS are wanting to BOW HUNT WITH

ONLY those FEW who are SO scared that "someone else" MIGHT kill the deer YOU wanted.........selfish, sad and pathetic

MAYBE YOU FEW should take up GOLF.....IF you're that poor of a bow hunter........:D
 
as you can see those facts don't mean a thing
[rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl]


YOU are a total "riot"

YOUR selfish rants and desires are what really don't mean a thing to ANYONE ......other than yourself......too bad YOU are so full of yourself you don't even grasp that reality

Pretend what YOU want matters more than what MOST want (the rest don't care at all btw) the WHOLE TIME YOU will be out with your compound proving you to be the total hypocrite that I have said you were and ARE.......ALL the while seeing and hearing ONLY what you wish to hear, missing the "big picture" and NOT caring about the future of OUR sport, but ONLY WHAT YOU DESIRE

Don't forget I've hunted with TRAD tackle for over THREE DECADES.........so for YOU to "judge me" is more than laughable".......

FOLKS LIKE ME allow YOU to hunt nationwide with YOUR COMPOUND, but YOU "question and judge ME" for fighting for OTHERS..........[down]

AT least "I" am NOT "scared" of passing on what I LOVE to others (even those who want to use crossbows)

"I" am NOT scared that THEY might kill a deer, "I" have MORE confidence obviously in MY own abilities than you seem to show here (in public).......

But somehow you must THINK "you are helping" bow ONLY seasons, while being shown YOU ARE NOT.......

I find it "amusing" that YOU disregard REAL facts and Data, and choose instead to expound BS.......all the while saying that YOU "are deserving" .....it's a JOKE
 
number one jim you said we were a selfish few...we are saying that the people that took the survey are the selfish few because they only represent less 5 percent of hunters:D
 
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number one jim you said we were a selfish few...we are saying that the people that took the survey are the selfish few because they only represent less 5 percent of hunters
More meaningless inaccurate drivel. You came, you saw, you didn't conquer, get over it.
 
ore meaningless inaccurate drivel.  You came, you saw, you didn't conquer, get over it.
[rofl][rofl][rofl]

Ive been hearing alot of inaccurate drivel from you pro crossbow fellas and ladies. Reference your facts from now on so people can actually look up what you post as fact. I believe alot of it is Horse poopies.[hihi][hihi]
 
Ive been hearing alot of inaccurate drivel from you pro crossbow fellas and ladies.
TOTAL BS!

YOU don't "like the TRUTH" so YOU TRY to distort things to fit YOUR SELFISH agenda [down]

It means less than NOTHING... FALSE claims, (even repeated dozens of times) do not matter to MOST (and THAT Dubs IS "where" YOU have already "lost" your battle) MOST have NO reason or inclination to be "SO Concerned" with WHAT BOW that OTHER FELLOW HUNTERS want to hunt with.....

The FEW , the Selfish, the foolish, the Anti Crossbow Coalition :D
 
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