In case you haven't read the new summer UBNJ magazine I would like to inform you that you just lost the privelege to bowhunt on any managment hunts with this bowhunting organization, if you do not possess a FID card, thats right a FIREARMS ID CARD. You've got to be kidding me. This means if you bowhunt only and don't wish to gun hunt or for one reason or another you are don't wish to you will be forced to obtain one of the cards to participate in one of these hunts. Not to mention the nightmare it is to obtain one of these cards. Also if you and your family are members, you won't be able to hunt. Unless you have this card. Plus, (like me) I'm sure not all of the members have been goodie two shoes all of there lives, and may have made a mistake or two in there life,you will not be able to obtian one of these cards. I sent an e-mail to the president of the club, Jim Mills and he responded by saying I quote, "We realize that this is a bowhunting organization first & formost, however some of the property owners we are working with from time to time request gun hunts to more quickly reduce the deer population. With concerns for the great liability associated with these hunts. The leadership felt it to be in the best interest and future security of the organization to require this vital piece of documentation." Give me a brake, thats what insurance is for. The state of NJ as a whole does'nt require you to have an FID card to hunt, what makes these hunts so different other than making it nearly impossible to hunt these properties. REMEMBER, If it is ever required to buy your next bow to have a FID card, you can always thank UBNJ
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Lung,
You have brought up some very valid points. After reading the posts numerous times I think there are some points probably missing. It is indeed the land owners right to require any information they choose. My "thoughts" are that the land owner wanted some kind of assurance that their would not be "BAD" apples running around. They probably mentioned just because you belong to ANY organization doesn't mean much on a personal level. UBNJ saw the FID card as an easy offering. Again I wasn't there and can only speculate but I don't think a land owner stated, "FID carrying hunters only".
You have brought up some very valid points. After reading the posts numerous times I think there are some points probably missing. It is indeed the land owners right to require any information they choose. My "thoughts" are that the land owner wanted some kind of assurance that their would not be "BAD" apples running around. They probably mentioned just because you belong to ANY organization doesn't mean much on a personal level. UBNJ saw the FID card as an easy offering. Again I wasn't there and can only speculate but I don't think a land owner stated, "FID carrying hunters only".
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Shame on the UBNJ for not standing up for all of it's members. The UBNJ did not even take the time to see how many people would be affected by this. Do they even care? They may have done a lot for the bow hunter in this state but a lot could be undone with one careless action. They have not even tried to take care of all it's members with this new requirement.
Why not just require it on the property of the land owner who requested it?
I don't beleive that nonresidents and FID cards have been answered either how that will effect them?
Can this be explained?
To many Toms taking this week, all Jakes it seems not many Boss's on this issue yet.[rofl][rofl][rofl]
The Lions den has now been opened and the antis are inside and hungry as well as the state. Just wait the schools still out but theres going to be a number who flunk out I imagine[smirk][down]
Can this be explained?
To many Toms taking this week, all Jakes it seems not many Boss's on this issue yet.[rofl][rofl][rofl]
The Lions den has now been opened and the antis are inside and hungry as well as the state. Just wait the schools still out but theres going to be a number who flunk out I imagine[smirk][down]
Ok I agree with only one thing here in all this BS is you want to offer Salvation from an FID card then gun only not bow? If your a bow organization you deal with bow issues but now that the gun has been itroduced then its no longer a all bow organization now as I see it?
NJUB stands against Crossbows but they sanction gun hunts????? Double standards being minipulated for the benifit of FID and the ones who hold the key to entry to prissed propertys as well as use guns?
Yep just what I thought the ones without FID get a fair share or should I say who really is getting the LIONS share now and glowing in the moment.
What minipulation is this and the regulair membership is getting vambosalled?
Either stand for your rights or get eaten by the Lion and throw down your sword and let the Lion eat you. Wheres the gladiators in todays world or whos going to be the last Mohican?
Must be a NE wind today because I can smell Denmark from here something is rotten?[hihi][hihi][hihi]
This isn't right and because the antis use minipulation don't make it right that we do.
NJUB stands against Crossbows but they sanction gun hunts????? Double standards being minipulated for the benifit of FID and the ones who hold the key to entry to prissed propertys as well as use guns?
Yep just what I thought the ones without FID get a fair share or should I say who really is getting the LIONS share now and glowing in the moment.
What minipulation is this and the regulair membership is getting vambosalled?
Either stand for your rights or get eaten by the Lion and throw down your sword and let the Lion eat you. Wheres the gladiators in todays world or whos going to be the last Mohican?
Must be a NE wind today because I can smell Denmark from here something is rotten?[hihi][hihi][hihi]
This isn't right and because the antis use minipulation don't make it right that we do.
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First note I was first told people were complaining they didn't want to give their social security numbers out to do a background check so thats why the implemented this FID deal...check your FID cards its plastered in bold on the front so thats one BS story I was given.
Second Im with the others that if you only bowhunt why should I get an FID cards...I'm lucky if I get out once a year with the gun...and even when people ar egun hunting I'm still bow hunting side by side with them. I see no need for this.
Second Im with the others that if you only bowhunt why should I get an FID cards...I'm lucky if I get out once a year with the gun...and even when people ar egun hunting I'm still bow hunting side by side with them. I see no need for this.
You get the same feeling if you take a big dump in your pants...it just doesn't take 6 months to happen!
Finally a voice of reason...but this will get lost so I'll bump it again!
B/c alot of the hunters hunting these porperties are looking for trophy hunts when in actuality they are QDM hunts. They pass on doe after doe after doe hoping for a big buck! Its plain stupid shoot the damn deer! Damn fairies!
I know alot of outlaws and to each their own but the UBNJ although they say they care dont look into all claims I know of several incidents that were just pushed aside. Hey thats the way they run it thats fine...I joined to better bowhunting in NJ not to hunt the lands. But not your gonna stop me from hunting it b/c I dont have an FID but you will allow numerous illegal acts to happen and do nothing about it? Thats right its the american way punish the good guys and reward the ones that break every rule out there and brag about it...ahh I love this country!
I think you have to be 18 to be a part of the hunts bud.
Just to let everyone know my intent was not to start trouble here. I am a hard working family man who is an avid outdoorsman to the bone and have been for 40+ yrs. I prefer to bow hunt, but also gunhunt. I am and will remain a UBNJ member, I've been one for approx. 10 yrs. and have always thought this organization has done a great job defending our rights to hunt in NJ. I just think a little focus was lost here. What I mean is, I look at this organization as somewhat like a union, regardless of when you joined your voice should be heard and this organization is only as strong as it MEMBERS not its councel. So when it comes to making certain decision like adding an FID card to a bowhunting org., the members should be asked how they feel about this. As for the property owners of these hunts I agree you definetly have every right to request any documentation you wish for. But this really wasn't geared towards you it was geared to the article in the UBNJ mag. stating that ALL hunts would require this card that would include hunt on county parks, golf courses ect. that are owned by the state. Buy the way I do not hunt on these hunts and probably never will. I hope that in the future the councel will stay focused and remember this is a members organization and not theres.
Well that made sence Tom and can see your view as a member in good standing that your questioning there decisions also.
The fact you brought up the trophy hunting I stayed away from but it was a key away from laying it out like that. I have seen a few members that have done their part on QDM but for that amount theirs plenty others that have there own agendas and it aint taking meat home so lets face it its bone home and not just any bone.
Bragging rights so the antis are correct in some of there observations. Now argue this point that the ones that do it don't. You know who you are and in most cases so do we.
Let me tell you this your only as good as your spot with the opportunity of a class animal thats in it that lives there.
I don't see this thread about starting an argument. Some how some of these representatives get elected and I don't know how or why because it's politics I guess. Some of your own electees aren't so clean boys either so lets call a spade a spade here.
If all this is causing trouble? For who the ones who did this or the ones who got left on the dock when the boat was full???
Wake up and watch what goes on and don't stand behind your computor and cower to the regulations your oganization set up now as a unified NJ bow and gun organization.
Wheather you want to face this or not they have now included guns in sanctioned NJUB hunts. So tell me still a bow organization. If the ones who are on the inside can't fight this then what?
Don't get me wrong doe's the NJUB do good yes they do a tremendious job but not on this issue I see and it is going to open the door for all kinds of other issues.
Maybe I'm wrong and it will be a good thing but maybe it won't and who let the dogs out then?
Mexicans moved in on us and brought the Federalies with them is what I see. More regulations to comply for a trophy hunter to get prime access and then boast about it[smirk]
Little harsh, yep no excuse for minipulation of a system we fight against the bureaucrats in.
Heritaige, heritage, heritaige and now its privaleage that we have? Don't think so I'm not willing change the name of a God given right.
When I pay for a property to be hunted that's it I paid up for the right to hunt it now do I have to comply with certain rules. why yes.
Whats next, probation and parole?[hihi][hihi][hihi]
This is a sad affair that will lead to a rape somehow.[smirk]
The fact you brought up the trophy hunting I stayed away from but it was a key away from laying it out like that. I have seen a few members that have done their part on QDM but for that amount theirs plenty others that have there own agendas and it aint taking meat home so lets face it its bone home and not just any bone.
Bragging rights so the antis are correct in some of there observations. Now argue this point that the ones that do it don't. You know who you are and in most cases so do we.
Let me tell you this your only as good as your spot with the opportunity of a class animal thats in it that lives there.
I don't see this thread about starting an argument. Some how some of these representatives get elected and I don't know how or why because it's politics I guess. Some of your own electees aren't so clean boys either so lets call a spade a spade here.
If all this is causing trouble? For who the ones who did this or the ones who got left on the dock when the boat was full???
Wake up and watch what goes on and don't stand behind your computor and cower to the regulations your oganization set up now as a unified NJ bow and gun organization.
Wheather you want to face this or not they have now included guns in sanctioned NJUB hunts. So tell me still a bow organization. If the ones who are on the inside can't fight this then what?
Don't get me wrong doe's the NJUB do good yes they do a tremendious job but not on this issue I see and it is going to open the door for all kinds of other issues.
Maybe I'm wrong and it will be a good thing but maybe it won't and who let the dogs out then?
Mexicans moved in on us and brought the Federalies with them is what I see. More regulations to comply for a trophy hunter to get prime access and then boast about it[smirk]
Little harsh, yep no excuse for minipulation of a system we fight against the bureaucrats in.
Heritaige, heritage, heritaige and now its privaleage that we have? Don't think so I'm not willing change the name of a God given right.
When I pay for a property to be hunted that's it I paid up for the right to hunt it now do I have to comply with certain rules. why yes.
Whats next, probation and parole?[hihi][hihi][hihi]
This is a sad affair that will lead to a rape somehow.[smirk]
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When I first started to read this, I thought WTF are they doing. The more I read, the more I thought about it, thats the way it is. If the property owners want a FID card, and its the easiest way for the UBNJ to handle it, ok. I am not a UBNJ toadie, I do wear my UBNJ license plate with pride, but I don't agree 100% with everything they say or do. These guys and gals are all volunteers (I think) and do the best they can. If you guys don't like the way they run the club, run for office and make a change.
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It seems that it maybe gearing towards a private hunting club...?
How many guys here have been involved in the negotiations for the hunts the UBNJ holds. Not me. These guys can't poll the members everytime a change is made.Or a property owner makes a request. They are there to look out for our best interests. If you don't like it get involved and change it.
There is NO private hunting club being made. Most of us have private spots and don't even hunt the properties. This was done at the request of the hunt host (out of our hands). As for the background check thing who here would step up and keep track of background checks on 100s of hunters in 15+ hunts. I know the council does not have time to do it.
I can see one thing coming out of this. NO MORE UBNJ hunts!
I can see one thing coming out of this. NO MORE UBNJ hunts!
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If the UBNJ gets permission from the land owners, golf courses etc.. or from the state on state property or who ever, you have to be a UBNJ member to hunt those properties, then wouldn't that be a hunting club?
My question was why would it be necessary for bow hunters to hunt twp property, or state property to obtain a NJFID? Is a twp council requesting above and beyond the law? If so why does the allow this to happen, just for more land to hunt. So instead of sticking up for bow hunters and their rights, which are met by the state laws concerning archery and fish and game.. they allowed out siders to regulate archery in a archery organization, just for land permission...hmm
Ok, if a personal property owner requests it, how does it come down to a back ground check... The hunter would already be legal with an archery hunting license..
As far as insurance.. where ever you can get it. But to have an archery organization to allow anyone to request a Fire Arms ID for Archery hunting is giving the state a lead into further regulating archery in general.
My question was why would it be necessary for bow hunters to hunt twp property, or state property to obtain a NJFID? Is a twp council requesting above and beyond the law? If so why does the allow this to happen, just for more land to hunt. So instead of sticking up for bow hunters and their rights, which are met by the state laws concerning archery and fish and game.. they allowed out siders to regulate archery in a archery organization, just for land permission...hmm
Ok, if a personal property owner requests it, how does it come down to a back ground check... The hunter would already be legal with an archery hunting license..
As far as insurance.. where ever you can get it. But to have an archery organization to allow anyone to request a Fire Arms ID for Archery hunting is giving the state a lead into further regulating archery in general.
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DITTO again...
It sounds really ridiculous when you first hear it but if this was the easiest way to appease the land owners with out making members pay another 60 or so bucks for background checks than so be it.. I agree with jrhunt, you have to get involved with the planning of these things from the start and stick with it if you want to have your 2 cents actually count. THe good thing about this post is most of the council and reps will probably see it and all will probably hear about it either way.
Not looking to put more fuel on this fire but I know of one rep. already that is as greedy as they come when it comes to property and getting himself onto it for his own benifit.
I made a statement and if I have to go to court and testify under oath and would risk contempt of court then I would release their name only not unless. It is possible others know more and have first hand knowleage as well.
This can get really ugly and out of hand fast. You guys really make it sound so simple and cut and dried. theres a lot more here than meets the eye. Keep your ear to the ground and you will find out more than you care to know. its sickning to say the least and all unfair and the ones who are involved get the benifit thats another hoax thats being presented.[smirk]
I made a statement and if I have to go to court and testify under oath and would risk contempt of court then I would release their name only not unless. It is possible others know more and have first hand knowleage as well.
This can get really ugly and out of hand fast. You guys really make it sound so simple and cut and dried. theres a lot more here than meets the eye. Keep your ear to the ground and you will find out more than you care to know. its sickning to say the least and all unfair and the ones who are involved get the benifit thats another hoax thats being presented.[smirk]
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thats crazy
Paid my membership I guess that's not enough for some of you that money means little if anything at all? Are you part of the FID decision? Thats no conspiracy that's been done without a general say?
The real whackos are the decisions that have selfishly been made behind the backs of the general membership?
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ubnj will lose alot of menbers i think, just my opinion
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