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FACT .......

WE (pro side) do NOT care if YOU use one or choose to not use one

as most of the opposition doesnt either just not in early bow seasons
 
I have been at 3-D shoots where guys have made some very long shots! BUT that was at targets! Each & every one of us should know the limits of OUR weapon & OUR ability! To me this is part of being a hunter! While at the range I have taken shots at targets with my bows, crossbow,rifle,pistol and slug gun that I would not concider in a in a hunting situation! If you read the side of a box of some ammo there is a disclaimer for a range of 1 mile! Some of these reports are flawed for various reasons...I have a hard enough time putting my crossbow in the back seat of my car let alone trying trying to shoot it out the window of a vehical! That just show someone is unfamilar with the equipment they are attempting to discredit. In my opinion The range of any hunting weapon exceeds the ethical hunting range! YOU must be the judge of your own limitations! That burden is on the hunter not the weapon!
 
Is there anyone among us that would deprive this fellow hunter the chance to get back in the woods
nope not me i think he should use a crossbow if he cant use what NY state allows...its that law that should be changed but it shouldnt be used to further crossbow manufacturers agenda let the handicapped and seniors use them
 
as most of the opposition doesnt either just not in early bow seasons
Then Fred DON'T use one in the early season! :D

You folks do not own early bow season (or any of them) F&G do set the rules.....which IS why they did the survey which proves MOST don't agree with that....at all

HERE is the ENTIRE quote of mine......

WE (pro side) do NOT care if YOU use one or choose to not use one........however NO other hunter should feel the NEED to tell others what to use, OR how to hunt .......Period!
Funny how you ONLY quoted part of that, but when our side does that you claim "we're trying to twist things"... :D

I think we ALL KNOW, that reducing buck limits is FAR more important to NJ deer hunting's future than what archery weapons OTHERS choose to use to hunt with (even early bow).......so WHY are WE not trying to make that point, even after all this time?

Crossbows ARE going to be allowed for the exact same time as ALL other bows......which I feel is a great thing, choice is always good and in this case it will allow many to bow hunt who have not done so......NO one loses anything.....a total "win-win"....


I'm also VERY certain that reducing the buck limit to TWO TOTAL no matter the weapon would GREATLY improve the Quality of deer hunting in NJ.....

STOP being part of the problem and become part of the solution IF you really do care about the future of deer hunting in NJ crossbow inclusion will be good for NJ and won't do Anything that compounds haven't done.....data proves that to be impossible to refute, the "other problems" SHOULD be being addressed... crossbows did NOT cause any of them as we know..

IF some were half as serious about REAL issues , as they are about trying to dictate to other fellow hunters, and spent a third as much time fighting FOR NJ hunters rather than against them as ONE UNITED VOICE.....Imagine who quickly the Anti hunters and AR groups would RUN in fear!
 
t shouldnt be used to further crossbow manufacturers agenda
[confused][confused][confused][confused]

Just because someone "says" there is an "agenda" doesn't make it true Fred! some TRIED to state "I" am a crossbow salesman.........[rofl] that wasn't true either.....[lol]

NOW "back to reality"

This issue IN NJ........IS and WAS brought about BY NJ HUNTERS who asked NJ F&G for crossbow inclusion......there is NO proof at all of ANY "crossbow maker" being involved PERIOD......

It's this crap that causes most of the fighting making false accusations and allegations with NO proof at all, JUST to "stir the pot" and upset folks......

Will crossbows bring $$$ to manufacturers and to NJ .....sure they will.......that IS THE AMERICAN WAY....

IF NO one wanted to use them though, it would be a moot point ........:D

To even TRY to blame the hard working American folks who make crossbows is totally absurd, without the demand from hunters they gain nothing!

Do you Fred blame Matthews for making $$$ from YOU?? :D
 
Imagine who quickly the Anti hunters and AR groups would RUN in fear!
Opps........typo.....

That SHOULD say HOW quickly .....(not who) :D
 
I can't speak for all crossbows, because I have not shot all crossbows. - However what I do know is that I can't even come close to this with my Horton 150# --- 40 yards MAX (effectively) & even at 40 yards I am loosing effective energy.
Not if you shoot a Stryker...:D
This is a Quote from Tom about his Stryker...
also, Have to add some fuel to the xbow fire - I'm now raising my estimate of my effective range for deer to at least 100 yards. Had absolutely no problem pinwheeling the bullseye out to 80 yards. I think the capabilities of the Stryker impressed some people, although the cumbersome loading process was not overlooked.
And

Of course you forgot to mention how the Stryker blew right through the center of your new Block target at, what was it, like 60 yds.
The more I think about it the more I want to get one...

I wonder if I can use one on a UBNJ hunt???


Proof of quotes for ACE.[ko] http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article32266.htm
 
Not if you shoot a Stryker...
This is a Quote from Tom about his Stryker...
Rich, Tom said that at Paul's BBQ last fall. Yes, he did shoot that far, at targets. I was there. Tom was also kind enough to let me shoot it. Was the 2nd time I used a Stryker for targets. Of course, you will agree that shooting at targets is quite different than hunting, as the target isn't going to move, for one example.:D The Stryker is, indeed, a great crossbow, and not everyone will be able to afford one, IMHO. On an earlier, occassion, I also shot JT's TenPoint, another great crossbow and about the same in price, FWIW. ;) It still comes down to the hunter using the crossbow, as far as, making a good clean kill, just the same as any other bow. :D
 
also, Have to add some fuel to the xbow fire - I'm now raising my estimate of my effective range for deer to at least 100 yards.  Had absolutely no problem pinwheeling the bullseye out to 80 yards.  I think the capabilities of the Stryker impressed some people, although the cumbersome loading process was not overlooked.
He said deer....

Of course you forgot to mention how the Stryker blew right through the center of your new Block target at, what was it, like 60 yds.
And that qoute blew me away...
 
they dont i shoot a hoyt
Well then do YOU .....FRED..... blame Hoyt for making $$ for selling YOU a bow??? :D

I'm now raising my estimate of my effective range for deer to at least 100 yards.

Had absolutely no problem pinwheeling the bullseye out to 80 yards.
Since WHEN DO DEER HAVE "bullseye" on them??


[rofl]

Targets are a whole different matter, You will NEVER wound a target with a bad shot OR if the target "takes a step" that you couldn't predict....deer are NOT targets to MOST....bow hunters even with crossbows...

Proof of quotes for ACE
Thanks but I was already well aware of those quotes.....SO WHAT???

Howard Hill routinely killed animals AT OVER 100 YARDS WITH A LONGBOW........does THAT mean it's "ethical"....

BETTER QUESTION IS:

WHAT would keep ANYONE from shooting AT deer at 100 yards with ANY BOW.......

NOTHING....that's what I thought... :D

Should WE condone that behavior ?

NO absolutely NOT.....so WHY mention it on this board at all, much less REPEAT it for the ANTI HUNTERS ......[down]

"I" OFTEN shoot a recurve AT TARGETS at 100 yards (almost daily @ > 65) and hit what I want to, THAT however does NOT mean I would "think about" shooting at a living target at NEAR those ranges......

ALL that being said, if HE wants to do so, I won't try to stop him, I'd however suggest that NO one mention such behavior on PUBLIC FORUMS.....

It can NOT POSSIBLY help our sport in the least, but very well MAY HARM IT......and it's future
 
I do not know WHO Tom is but if he feels 80-100 yards is a reasonable range for deer he is sadly mistaken. At no point have any reputable crossbow organizations or articles suggested 80-100 yards is a legitimate hunting distance! But if TOM from New Jersey says this at a BBQ this musty be gospel! All the info printed & posted and ONE hunter makes a questionable statement & you guys jump on it & hang all the other hunters! I know of a local fellow that gut shot his doe last year with his PSE compound while the deer was jogging away! So is it safe to assume ALL compound hunters take illadvised shots?? Put your hatred of crossbows aside for a second and try & use some common sense! [mad]
 
He said deer....
Rich, he was still shooting at targets when that was said.

Quote:
Of course you forgot to mention how the Stryker blew right through the center of your new Block target at, what was it, like 60 yds.


And that qoute blew me away...
Sure it went thru to the back of the target. So what? Target was a block as in the quote. Center of the target would be much lower than a deer, seems to me.[eyeroll] Don't think vitals would have been hit, that well. [confused]
 
Center of the target would be much lower than a deer, seems to me
where you aim is where it goes deer target block target high circle low circle
 
where you aim is where it goes deer target block target high circle low circle
I understand that. Where it went thru was lower than vitals, if I remember correctly is what I was saying. ;)
 
I understand that. Where it went thru was lower than vitals, if I remember correctly is what I was saying

and what im saying if it was a deer if he aimed at the vitals it would of hit its mark why does it matter where on the target it hit[confused]
 
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