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Discussion starter · #42 ·
870. I got the pic out of todays paper on the internet. A guy I sit next to who doesn't hunt showed it too me. He asked me if that's how I hunt and explained to him that we can;t hunt bears in this state and it's probably the state trapping the bear for study purposes..

http://www.nj.com/


Like I said there is no story to back it up. Just a link to the picture and "Uploaded by AlexBC on 03/11/08"
 
#43 ·
By the way, I dont believe for a second that bears paw was cut like that by the snare. Just the coloring of the tissue and lack of blood make it appear that the paw was cut after the bear was already dead.

Unless they scammed the exif data, someone can look up the camera, date and other info of those pix, right?

A snare doesnt continue to tighten, it slides. Some bears are smart enough to get out of them.

The bears will try to climb the tree and get away, and freak out for a little while, but they dont do damage to themselves like that.

Nothing wrong with trapping. Its like anything else, without a full understanding of it, you are not giving it a fair chance. You have misconceptions that would be cleared up with a better understanding of how it all works.

Andy, IF you're dog runs into a snare, he will more than likely not be injured. You walk over, undo the snare and go about your business. They are only a restraint, they arent designed to hurt or kill.
 
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#44 ·
That is the only legal Trap for bears. The same snares all F&G depts across the country use. I'm not to sure the two pics are of the same bear! Notice the lack of matted fur from blood? Dead bears don't bleed.
CountryBoy;
If your dog is leash broke They'll sit waiting to be let out. I have Hounds that run real game & I fear roads more than traps & snares.
 
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Like I said there is no story to back it up. Just a link to the picture and "Uploaded by AlexBC on 03/11/08"
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Thats exactly the point.... anyone can post a picture on there. It can be from any state. Anti's bombard the media with crap like this all the time to make hunters look bad, thats there MO. Just like every other story printed that is based on emotion and not fact.....fact is, we don't know what state the pic is from OR the story behind it b/c it most likely didn't come from our state.

Take it for what it's for.....A PICTURE OF A BEAR IN A SNARE! Its a shame but it is what it is!
 
#46 ·
What the F*** are your dogs in your avatar doing? Now dogs can't go in the woods?
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[rofl] just busting your balls CountryBoy...

I know plenty of trappers who have snared dogs and they returned the dog to the owner safe and sound every time. I was trying to ask why a dog would be running through the woods without an owner anywhere nearby. What I should have said before is that if your dog gets snared, you would be right there to remove the snare the moment it happened. And if you weren't around, the trapper would be there that day or the next morning to release the dog.
 
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#47 ·
More bears are snare trapped today in NJ than ever before. When was the last time you saw a 3 footed bear??

I've been on these trapping studies and the fact is the snare barely makes a mark on the paw. They hardly lose a hair.
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I saw a three footed bear in October and I saw several in the 90's. I am not challenging what you say but I will say that I talked to the "bear lady" in about 98' and she said there were injuries but that they usually didn't cause more than a cut. They may have improved their methods but I do not believe that it is true that bears are snared without injury every time. That is impossible. They are all different. Some may over freak. When I get some time I will look for some research on it.
 
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Discussion starter · #48 ·
Matty/Bloodtrails... Thanks for your input on this subject. I have always thought of trapping (these days) to be a humane way to hold animals until discharged. All of the trap sets I have seen are not supposed to harm an animal and will allow the trapper to release unharmed if they wish to do so. These pictures threw me for a loop though.
 
#49 ·
So this animal was most likely killed because of the shape his paw/arm was in?
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No. I'm saying that photo was taken on a bear already dead. The snare was probably applied on a dead bear and his paws were cut to show this damage. There is no blood. Not a drop. If any animal suffered that much damage there would be blood everywhere.
 
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WE should logon and leave comments asking about the pic. The NEWS paper shouldn't print picslike this if they're not checked into. I know it sounds silly now-a-days but since when is the NEWS media in the propaganda business. WE should call'em out on it
 
#52 ·
They hardly lose a hair.
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From the link below: Trap-nights per capture averaged 8.8, with 188 bears being snared 264 times. Seven (3.7%) major and 155 (58.7%) minor injuries occurred. The addition of an automobile hood spring to the snare cable as a shock absorber virtually eliminated (P < .050) major injuries.

Original source: See abstract at bottom or buy the article. http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0091-7648(198021)8:1<46:PASTFB>2.0.CO;2-W

162 injuries out of 264 captures. Seven Major. Hmmmm.... The spring reduces the major. Like I said.
 
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Discussion starter · #53 ·
mrfyslaw.. I already registered and have begun to question the poster AlexBC. This is the exact quote from Alex under the picture..


Black Bear Caught in Snare Trap
This black bear is in pain. Snare traps should be made illegal in NJ.
Uploaded by AlexBC on 03/11/08
 
#54 ·
I've never been a fan of trapping,it's legal,people do it so I support and respect their right to do so,but if it was ever going to be banned I wouldn't lift a finger to fight against it.I think the best thing they ever did was to ban leghold traps,too many pet accidents involved there.
 
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From the link below: Trap-nights per capture averaged 8.8, with 188 bears being snared 264 times. Seven (3.7%) major and 155 (58.7%) minor injuries occurred. The addition of an automobile hood spring to the snare cable as a shock absorber virtually eliminated (P < .050) major injuries.

Original source: See abstract at bottom or buy the article. http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0091-7648(198021)8:1<46:PA ...

162 injuries out of 264 captures. Seven Major. Hmmmm.... The spring reduces the major. Like I said.
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That study is 28 years old.

I'm not saying all bears are completely unharmed but it is rare that they are injured badly. Scrapes and missing hair is the normal injury. Certainly not to the extent of the doctored photo.
 
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but if it was ever going to be banned I wouldn't lift a finger to fight against it......

And then they would be after something else once a foot is in a door the other is soon to follow
 
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WOW I can not believe what I am reading. [eek]
"don't care if they ban trapping"," banning leg holds was the best thing".[eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek][eek]
 
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I'm not saying all bears are completely unharmed but it is rare that they are injured badly. Scrapes and missing hair is the normal injury. Certainly not to the extent of the doctored photo.
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I agree. [up] It seems that they have it down now - and have greatly reduced the injury rate - according to what Matty saw and what you say. Many operations use telemetric alarms on the snares now so that they can get to the bear quickly....though one abstract that I read said that most of the injuries occured in the first few minutes so the alarms were no guarentee of an injury free capture.

I wasn't commenting on this picture but I know that bears used to lose feet like this. Matty, did they have springs on the snares? Tubing on the wire? How do they do it with so little injury?
 
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