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Smack,
Great argument you have there!
Nothing to say nothing to add so Hurl insults and call names.
Oh look! Heres a quote from you does that mean you stand to profit (or think you do) from the introduction of crossbows?


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Kris,

if your having problems hitting the target. bring that thing by and I'll drill it out for Vital gear site i have in stock. That should put you on the target. "

Its ok you have that in common with many on your side of the issue.
 
Jb what with the stands to profit argument?

Get over it. The choice should be up to me.

You try & sit out a season due to injury because you don't feel they are ethical. The orthopedic surgen filled out my form & its off to the state but did that help me in 07? nope. Why? because of closed minded, stubborn, selfish . self proclaimed know it alls, like yourself are afraid of me shooting your deer.
Just keep doing what your doing & #'s will continue to decline.
 
Randolph,
Sounds like your still mad over how I hold dead fish in Alaska.
There will never be an explaination I could give that is good enough for you nor will there be a stand i could take on an issue that folks like you will not distort.
You try & sit out a season due to injury because you don't feel they are ethical.
I didn't make THOSE rules and have even stated that I thought they were too restrictive but you already know that is not what the issue is here you just want to jump on the pile. LOOK AT THE FACTS AS THEY APPLY TO THE BIG PICTURE.
 
JO.

First & foremost my friends call me by my first name & I deffently feel you address me by my sire name to mock me.

Second your plan for hunting & wildlife is great.

Cut days & exclude hunters.

You speak of Ace working for the Xbow reps but
yet you seem to work for the AR folks.
 
LOOK AT THE FACTS AS THEY APPLY TO THE BIG PICTURE.
Second your plan for hunting & wildlife is great.

Cut days & exclude hunters.
See thats fact.

The FACTS are most of those spouting about rights as they apply to the bowseason have exactly NO intention of hunting in NJ's bowseason and are here for "Other Reasons and they know it.
Thats Opinion.

Great talk thanks.
 
It is a FACT that Bowhunter numbers were continualy EXPANDING in NJ before EAB and all the rest of the stuff that was done in the last 10 years or so.
Eab caused a decline in Bowhunters? Are you kidding me? What surveys have you done interveiwing hunters?

I'll answer for you none. Thats your opinion.

I could as easily said the cause was the fear of Y2K made ppl. devote more time to claymation.
 
Eab caused a decline in Bowhunters? Are you kidding me? What surveys have you done interveiwing hunters?
That comes directly from George Howard and Dr.Len Wolgast. Thanks for the oppertunity to make that clear.
 
That comes directly from George Howard and Dr.Len Wolgast. Thanks for the oppertunity to make that clear.
JB, how is this clear? [confused] I would like to read what both had to say. Can you post the link where that EAB data is?
 
"Oxymoron is Greek not Latin"
ox·y·mo·ron (ks-môrn, -mr-)
n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra (-môr, -mr) or ox·y·mo·rons
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist.

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[Greek oxumron, from neuter of oxumros, pointedly foolish : oxus, sharp; see oxygen + mros, foolish, dull.]
Actually, Jim, it's English derived from a Greek word. I assumed since JB is well versed in Latin, he'd recognize the oxymoron I quoted.

Wow! So much knowledge being shared here! Gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling, lol
 
Gee and here I thought this thread was about helping both the Div. of F+W and the bow seasons in N.J.
 
I would like to read what both had to say. Can you post the link where that EAB data is?
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Kathy,
No that would amount to the Div. admitting in print they are not right 100% of the time a career death blow to any government employee.
I got that from Geo. and Len at the June 07 Hunterdon county Federation meeting.
You can probably go to your county federation meeting and ask one of those gent and they will tel you them self EAB wound up COSTing bow licences and licencs sales had been on a steady upward trend right up till the year they started EAB and made Winter bow a general weapons season in the Reg. set 8 and other DMZ's not to mention TAKING AWAY one of the prime permit bow weeks during the rut and making it a gun week kicking bowhunters out of the woods many while they were still trying to fill theirEAB requirments so they could tag a buck.
 
Gee and here I thought this thread was about helping both the Div. of F+W and the bow seasons in N.J.
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Let's see if we can't get back O/T and help ya some!
Aren't Pa, Va, Md. and Del somewhat close to y'all?
Delaware
Crossbows legal Monday through Saturday of November shotgun season and during any gun season in December or January.
www.dnrec.state.de.us
302-739-5297
Maryland
Crossbows are legal for all hunters during the October 1- October 15, 2007 and January 15-31, 2008 segments of the Deer Bow Season and all regular gun seasons and muzzleloader seasons. Age 65 and over legal throughout Archery season.
www.dnr.state.md.us/huntersguide
Pennsylvania
Crossbows legal statewide in archery season for disabled and temporarily disabled hunters by permit. Legal for all hunters statewide for bear and elk and during any of the firearms deer seasons, including the regular two-week concurrent deer season, the early muzzleloader season and the late flintlock season. In addition, in Wildlife Management Units (WMU's) 2B, 5C, & 5D - the most urbanized areas of the state - crossbows are legal during any established deer season.
www.pgc.state.pa.us
717-787-4250
Virginia
At the June 23, 2005, meeting of the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries the Board approved the use of crossbows for hunting during the upcoming fall hunting season. Previously, only disabled hunters could hunt with crossbows. For more specific crossbow information click on the following link:
www.dgif.state.va.us/hunting/crossbow.asp
www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/
804-367-1000
as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in these state, no reason for REASONABLE people to believe it will fall in your state.

fell free to continue w/ the personal attacks, re: hillbillies and signature lines, I for one understand how frustrating it must be to bring only fear and speculation to a factual debate, lol.
 
as you can see, the sky hasn't fallen in these state, no reason for REASONABLE people to believe it will fall in your state.
As I stated before multiple times NONE of those states has the bag limit structure NJ has nore do any of them with the possible exception of Md. have the seasons that have been asked for err demanded here in NJ nore do they have the already established history of punishing bowhunters for killing gun hunters suposed deer.
fell free to continue w/ the personal attacks, re: hillbillies and signature lines,
PLEASE! Of all the people in all of the glass houses you come up with THAT line.
When "Inclusion" into our ML seasons other firearm seasons or any of the other offerings the ONE BUCK state of Pa. has it is dismissed as NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Shucks you should read some of the comments from your fellows in arms on this issue who WANT IT ALL or it is not good enough for them you will se who is inflexable and who is not.
 
So Jb if somebody speaks to you then everything they say is fact? It would be a fact that you heard only what you wanted to hear but what you are saying is still hear-say.

A man of your age should know this by now.


Gee and here I thought this thread was about helping both the Div. of F+W and the bow seasons in N.J.
Yea I see your contribution....

Cut days & exclude hunters
 
PLEASE! Of all the people in all of the glass houses you come up with THAT line.
When "Inclusion" into our ML seasons other firearm seasons or any of the other offerings the ONE BUCK state of Pa. has it is dismissed as NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Shucks you should read some of the comments from your fellows in arms on this issue who WANT IT ALL or it is not good enough for them you will se who is inflexable and who is not.
What the heck are you talking about? You've had about 7 months of proof that the harvest stats are the same for xbows and compounds. What the H makes you think that will/would change in NJ? You can kill so many deer in so many ways now, my point is using an xbow vs a compound won't change a thing. hasn't anywhere else. Hard to get by ain't it?
 
The following is from this biologist's written report regarding EAB. Full report is in a link on pg 4 of this thread. It is "not" hearsay.


The New Bonus Buck Permit
by Carole Kandoth
Principal Biologist
September, 2007
Deer Permit Information for 2007 - 11/20/07

In 1999 the "Earn-A-Buck" program was instituted requiring the harvest of an antlerless deer before an antlered buck could be taken.

Over the past seven years, hunters have done an outstanding job of helping meet the goal of herd reduction where there is hunting access. This year the Fish and Game Council acknowledged that in areas where deer hunters have access, deer densities have been reduced significantly, and "Earn-A-Buck" was eliminated except for the early fall bow season where open. Liberal antlerless bag limits and season lengths may be enough to maintain an antlerless harvest sufficient to properly manage herds in most zones.

Bonus Buck Permit

Beginning in the 2007-08 deer seasons, anyone hunting for an antlered deer in any permit season (Bow, Shotgun, or Muzzleloader) will have to purchase an "Antlered Buck Bonus Permit" in addition to the regular zone permit for the season. Many hunters are discovering the new permit despite it being announced as early as February on the division's Web site and in the media. When proposed, the new permit received wide support from sportsmen and women when discussed at county federation meetings and elsewhere.

The issues of Quality Deer Management and potential revenue were discussed in detail by the Fish and Game Council in the deliberations leading up to the proposal for a bonus buck permit. The adopted Game Code amendment has the potential to provide additional revenue necessary due to declining license sales and rising costs. It can also mean more and bigger antlered deer for future harvest.
 
What the heck are you talking about? You've had about 7 months of proof that the harvest stats are the same for xbows and compounds. What the H makes you think that will/would change in NJ? You can kill so many deer in so many ways now, my point is using an xbow vs a compound won't change a thing. hasn't anywhere else. Hard to get by ain't it?
Shucks,
This statement only shows two things your lack of foriliarity with the baglimits and game laws in NJ and how they would applie to the situation.
In every state YOU mention the bag limit for bucks is the bag limit for bucks weather you hunt with a gun a bow or any and all variations of both.

That may well be unique to NJ and as stated by me before when enough people participate in the bowseason they drew off what was perceived as the gun hunters share of bucks. No manner of spinning or twisting from the likes of you can or will change that FACT or the ones that will lead up to to it.
No one in NJ is preventing anyone else from participating in the bowseason as a bowhunter and no one ever has.
 
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