Did anyone else get the crossbow survey in the mail from the njdfw? It said that a number of hunters were randomly chosen for it. I filled out and returned it this afternoon...
Crossbow Survey (Scans Added)
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Wow Ace, I have to admit I don't know you, but from the bile, hate, and shit you pedal here; you my friend sound like a complete ass.
Next time your in, near, close to Jersey; come tell me in person that my opinion doesn't count; call me elitist to my face. See how you fare.
I know for a FACT that I've given back to MY state asshole, I'm a hunters ed instructor, I've taught 4H clubs, Girl & Boy Scouts, church groups how to shoot and made untold finacial contributions to each. I've supported bear hunts that include no element of an archery season because it would benefit my "BROTHER" hunter (yeah that's right...I didn't participate in them, but fought so that my loving "BROTHER" hunters could), the same ones, my "BROTHER" hunters, that were so fast to abanddon the SUNDAY BOWHUNTING LEGISLATION because it didn't benefit them!!! So don't YOU preach to me about UNITY - when you and your kind do nothing but divide.
Come on down to Jersey & tell me my opinion doesn't matter...
Hey A$%eoky...another thing for you...I already have a bill drafted that changes the composition of NJ's Fish & Game Council...and I didn't need no antis for that...thanks to people who think just like you.
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RDF, I feel your pain and know how that goes. I had a few opportunities spoiled this year because I couldn't draw either. Got torn cuffs in both shoulders, torn bicep tendon and labrum in the right, and SLAP tear in the left, will be having surgey soon. I can suggest a good doctor, check your PMs.
I said I would avoid this section, and I did, for a while,
and I probably will again..for a while. I'm sure you would like to have free reign where you can spin lies and half-truths unchallenged, and you can have that for a while, but sometimes, you will be called on it too. My original point: you said you don't call names to make your point, yet your point always seems to be that people who don't want crossbows in bow season are greedy, selfish, narrow-minded, unitelligent, dictators, etc., If that is not calling people names, what is? How do you defend that first statement as true? [confused]
As for not having an interest in what I have to say, you seem to be very obsessed with me and what I think. In fact, you continue to put my name in posts and topics that I don't have anything to do with, in what seems like and attempt to bait me into a fight, or I guess maybe you just missed me [kiss], but for whatever reason, people can see where you did it in this thread alone. I also like that you've decided to mimic my signature line, although the sentiments expressed are a little different...very nice. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and I'm truely flattered that you would have me on your mind so much, although it is a little creepy. Just so you know, I'm married, and don't go that way, so keep your hormones in check there buddy. [kiss] [hihi]
So you think you've exposed me as a traitor and anti-hunter. [rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl][rofl] Dude, this is why you are such a big joke. Everyone knows that is not true and you look like an idiot saying it. Talk about a credibility killer...that's a big one right there. Yep...ashoky must be right becuase he is never wrong...I must be a traitor and anti-hunter. [ninja] [rofl][rofl]
Keep it up though, and if you think that upsets me, well, keep on keepin' on, you go girl. [rofl][rofl] Truthfully, the thing you did that upset me...the one place I saw you as a legitimate threat to something, was when we were approaching the election and you were forcing the crossbow wedge. You were a serious threat to creating a rift, and preventing hunters from coming together and making a statement in the election, but thankfully, even you saw that and the crossbow talk died off, and the statement was made. It didn't take long to come back though.
Look back at my posts...you and I have not debated the issue of crossbows in bow season for months. What we have done is argue with each other over who is the biggest wedge...who creates the most division among hunters here. You like to throw insults at me, I throw them back at you, but when is the last time we actually discussed why crossbows should or shouldn't be in bow season? It's been a while. Truth is, I never said I didn't want them in any season. I've said they should be allowed anytime guns are allowed, all season for the handicapped and the elderly, and maybe even have their own season, just not the whole season. And for that, you think I'm the enemy, a traitor, an anti-hunter? [confused] [rofl][rofl][rofl]
That is why very few people here take you seriously, and you are a joke, and seen by many is a trouble maker. The only thing you have exposed is your arrogance, seriously, that's it. Anyone with half a brain knows that I'm not an anti-hunter, yet you go around claiming I'm the enemy because I don't agree with you 100 percent. That is not you exposing me as anything other than having a different opinion on crossbows than you, but it is you revealing, or exposing (nice word, I like that
) your arrogance in the matter, to say since I don't agree with you 100 percent, I'm the enemy. Talk about being full of yourself [ko] But seriously, this isn't about me, it's about you and your constant attacks on people who actually do fight for hunters in New Jersey. Two of them post right here...jakesbeard and bacs. You could never in 100 years do as much for hunting and hunters in New Jersey as either of those guys have done, yet you act like they are the enemy, and you are the savior of hunting. That's right...you are CROSSBOWMAN, and anyone who doesn't think like you is the enmey. [spy][spy]
Jim, you have done nothing, zilch, nada for hunters in New Jersey compared to what these gentlemen you attack have done, and continue to do. You may have done nothing PERIOD, I don't know, but I do know you couldn't even be compared to a pimple on the backside of these two guys, yet you attack and belittle them? Just WHO are you anyway...oh, that's right, CROSSBOWMAN. [rofl][rofl][rofl]
You are a somewhat intelligent, internet bully who attacks others based on some self-proclaimed freedom fighter lable, when in fact, you have no idea who you are attacking and what is going on, or has gone on in this State. You say you are well aware of the origin of the attempts to restructure the Council, well, tell us CROSSBOWMAN, when and how did that start. Some of us know the answer, and it goes back to long before newjerseyhunter.com was even a concept. These people you attack are the ones who really do the work for hunters in NJ, not you, you are irrelevant here.
You are here to participate in a crossbow arguement, that's it. I don't come here to argue with you or anyone else. I come here to read hunting stories and look and pictures of fish and game, but you would never be here if there wasn't a crossbow arguement to be had, that is the truth.
I know I can be opinionated at times, but when I'm wrong, I admit it...you haven't done that yet, (oh, that's right, you're never wrong [eyeroll]) but mostly I come here to read and share hunting experiences with others from New Jersey. That is not why you are here. You are here to advance the idea of crossbows in bow season, and if that discussion were not taking place in New Jerey, you would not have come to this message board, and that is the truth. You are here to fight and agrue with other hunters over crossbows...to demean them for thier opinion, when it differs from yours. That is not why I come to this message board, and that is probably the biggest difference between the two of us.
Insults and jabs aside, I sincerly hope your wife heals from her accident...but Jim, that begs the question...why were and are you spending so much time here instead of taking care of your injured wife at home? [confused] I wouldn't even be logged on here, but you never seem to miss a beat...just can't tear yourself away from that crossbow arguement, can you.
IF IF IF...........IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump around on their ass......it's NOT happened anywhere.....so you have no grounds for that claim whatsoever.....though as usual that did NOT stop you from posting the rhetoric anyway...[down]
That's FUNNY JB!! I'll give you credit you NEVER let the truth stand in the way of a good stab.....
Do everyone a favor and see WHERE this originated from before you make an even bigger ass out of yourself (if that's possible which I seriously doubt now)
ONCE again , there IT is folks.....it's DO IT MY WAY.....MINE MINE MINE........
Luckily I don't have to add anything more THAT IS ALL THIS IS ABOUT.....
that is all too obvious!
Look for some "odd reason" some of you want to "gang up and fight with me" well be my guest, but understand one simple little thing, I did NOT start this, I came here to add some truth and some still refuse to accept that which is their choice I'm still waiting for anyone to refute (with facts) any of it....you folks have had since March and have been either unwilling or unable to do so, .....
So while I'm being attacked for supporting freedom of choice in a recreational sport.....NOT ONE thing I've proven has been in any way compromised in the least, I guess that gets frustrating for some.....
Bacs PLEASE show EVERYONE here where I EVER said such a thing! I understand you HATE to lose (don't we all) but that is NO reason to accuse me like this...
So lets see where *I* stated "Bacs YOUR opinion doesn't count" YOU CAN'T because it never ever happened period!
IN fact, EVERYONE'S opinion does matter, which IS why this WILL happen! MOST don't care whether crossbows are allowed.....and MOST support the hunters making the CHOICE.....pretty simple concept, which proves that I support other's opinions and choices as well.....
Good for YOU......still doesn't change Doug coming on here stating HE WOULD join the Anti Hunters over the crossbow issue it's there plain and simple, I NEVER claimed YOU said it, but Doug sure did....that is yet another indisputable FACT, whether he likes it or not, anyone can easily see that for themselves....
I'm VERY much aware of all of that, which IS what surprised me SO much on your stance on THIS ONE ISSUE...that we don't happen to agree on.....
I would think that you of all people would understand this isn't about TAKING ANYTHING from ANYONE (and it in fact doesn't and can't)....crossbow inclusion is simply ONE more choice.......no more than having recurve bows takes anything from one who chooses a long bow......as a trad hunter, I don't see what upsets a few folks so much? Sure sometimes I even use a compound, SO WHAT?
I notice you still won't answer my two very simple questions......that's odd......since YOU call me an asshole simply because I don't care what archery weapon another hunter chooses to hunt with....it has ZERO affect on me, or you or anyone who doesn't make THAT choice........so IF I'm such an asshole "pushing" something SO EVIL.....explain it to me (and all the rest of us).....
It really cracks me up "Brother hunters" (but NOT crossbow hunters can't have them out there with US) but NEVER any real honest explanation of why......
THAT is a VERY easy accusation for YOU to make, but let's see you back it up with some FACTS!
HOW the hell does asking for you (or anyone) to consider other's wishes and desires divide???
It's obviously true that calling others assholes because the point out the truth DOES divide...Refusing to share what you do NOT own, divides and is counter productive,
I have posted the REAL DATA, but instead of proving it wrong,(which you can't it's ALL documented fact) you'd rather attack me with personal insults.....I have VERY thick skin...and I'm not easily offended or bothered, nor ran off.....
So what a FEW of you guys act all tough and toss insults my way......woooopeee..... I am not in the third grade, I KNOW the facts, I have examined ALL the data I could find BEFORE taking ANY stance on this issue....
NOW ...TO ME it's ALL about you guys TRYING to tell other fellow hunters do it MY way or not at all, again NONE of you OWN bow seasons, EVERY single hunter has the exact same say as any of you (and more than I do)....IN NJ......thus, now that you realize that you'll likely lose this one, you do exactly what I expected and make bogus claims against me, that's OK I hate to lose also!
I should thank you for that NOTHING gets their attention as that does. I could have sent them page after page of data and not accomplished what you have done over a "non-issue".....YES a non-issue, once it happens everyone will see how foolish all this "concern" really is, again I've seen it with MY own eyes in three nearby states.....it's NOT what you guys think.....crossbow inclusion is a "win-win" those who CHOOSE to use them can, others won't and that's fine too! The F&G gets more revenue keeping costs down that much for the future.....
YOUR way causes folks to drop out due to increasing costs, my way finds more $$$ without having to increase fees and costs by as much.....guess which one people will want???
Bacs, I don't really know you either, but I know many good things about you, and I really, honestly hate you have taken this position against me for no good reason.
Everyone has a right to their opinions, and I added facts and data to support mine, you have not, and not only that you still refuse to answer a few VERY simple questions???
That's OK I will still thank you for all that you've done for NJ, but sir you are wrong on this issue, and it WILL happen for dozens of reasons, but not the least of which is NONE on your side can make a compelling argument of WHY it would be " a bad thing" for NJ, and THAT is where the rubber meets the road sir....
I hope you have a great holiday season, even if you think I'm an asshole!
HUH?? JB????
WHAT IS "traditional " about a state of the art compound and WHAT are you "protecting" it FROM???
NOTHING that's what!!!
The ONLY thing that hope to accomplish is to keep for YOURSELVES what you now have (and do not even own), by excluding other archery hunters who happen to wish to use a crossbow instead of a compound to fling arrows into game with.....NOT much of a stance IMO
You can call that "protecting" or "preserving" or "knitting" for all I care it is in fact none of the above! You have made it more than clear you're not concerned with the decline in hunter's numbers, I AM....and I'm trying to HELP not hinder that situation by allowing choices there is NO harm in including crossbows only positives in EVERY state it's been done it , you don't have to like that fact, but you can't change it either....
More hunters= stronger voice against the Anti hunters
More hunters= more $$$ for F&G without having to raise prices.....
YOUR way means LESS hunters paying MORE for the privilege of hunting,and make NO mistake it IS a privilege, not a right as it stands now...ALL it takes to have that taken away from US, is to allow our numbers to become low enough.......one can not bury their head in the sand and not realize this truth, some are trying to change the numbers for the better others are not , it's just that simple...
Which group ARE you in JB?
Fighting choice and more hunters because THEY (not you) want to be allowed to use crossbows.....
It won't matter soon what WE "think", the survey WILL settle this.....count on it!
A better idea YOU prove that you are not one!
IF you're not then there is NO good reason(s) to try to keep other archery hunters from enjoying a PUBLIC season with a crossbow ONLY because YOU don't like them and "feel" it somehow "dilutes" the sport, IF you don't use one, nothing is changed FOR YOU....period...(and btw, adding to our numbers dilutes nothing, it ADDS quality and quantity for all)
So IF you're not an elitist than you will accept other's opinions and choices, if you ARE an elitist you'll continue to say NO and without ANY good reason(s) that CHOICE is only yours to make.....
MAYBE , just perhaps YOU are willing to pay even double OR triple to keep things the way YOU want them, but honestly you KNOW others won't .....THAT should matter to everyone in NJ.....IF they really, honestly care about the future of hunting/fishing/trapping...
Whether you admit it or not it takes $$$ and plenty of it to keep F&G going.....IF hunter's numbers continue to decline WHERE will the $$$ come from??
WHO will PAY for ALL the costs associated with what WE ALL hold dear?
THAT is a VERY serious thing to consider and worthy of honest thought and debate (without the "Ace bashing" you guys love so much")
.The ONLY way to keep the same services without increasing the costs substantially is to INCREASE hunter's numbers.....period
Crossbow inclusion is proven to do exactly that, yet YOU fight against it, but haven't offered the first viable alternative(s)..
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True, but you should be VERY careful, some here can't handle the truth, so don't be surprised if soon you're called a liar, a turd, an asshole, a joke a divider and a host of other foolish things that have NOTHING to do with the facts! [cool]
It would be funny if not so dangerous to OUR Nationwide archery hunting future.......since it is a VERY real threat instead it is only pathetic.
THEY talk about crossbow inclusion dividing hunters, failing to realize or admit it can't do that, ONLY those who refuse to accept change and other's wishes cause division.
They've made the statements that I don't value unity, TOTAL BS.....Then they go so far as to state as a fact that "I" want others to bow to MY will (when it's THEM who ARE doing that , not I).....
I've NEVER asked that anyone use a crossbow, however this bunch has INSISTED that NO one be allowed to use them except for "certain conditions" and limited seasons (read CRUMBS of the seasons)......that's laughable and I should know since according to some I'm a "joke".
ALL I have EVER asked is they don't fight the choice for those who wish to use them. Still they fight their own kind and refuse to accept inevitable change for the good of our sport and it's future! They don't want YOU to decide what YOU will archery hunt with, they want YOU to "do it their way OR not at all!!"
I have made valid arguments supporting my stance with real data and facts, ALL they have done is make unfounded allegations, accusations and called ME several names (see above)......NEVER , showing US any reasons much less any facts OR real relevant data to support THEIR stance......HOW is it then that "I" am the "joke"???
Can there be any doubt that they have checked the data I supplied right here for EVERYONE to use to make up their own minds about crossbow inclusion?
NO.....instead of their trying to refute the evidence, they go on personal attacks of me and my character (when NONE of these folks have even met me, and know NOTHING about me or my character) THEY are so foolish as to "think" that all I care about is crossbows, proving once again how little they know about anything![down]
I realized long ago, truth, facts and data mean NOTHING to this bunch, what's interesting is, I NEVER tried to "sway" their stance only to refute their misinformation with FACTS and DATA.......which obviously has made them very angry since they can't prove ONE thing wrong....
Yet some claim I've posted LIES, but can't back that up with ANY proof.......sure it's "easy" to make false claims and HOPE someone somewhere will believe them, much harder to back the claims up which is why they're only false claims with NO proof.....EVER
IF...I were a liar, one would expect it would be easy enough to prove, however it has NEVER been done, just the same ones making the same STUPID claims over and over with NO evidence.....EVER
So I understood their minds were made up, and I respect that, however it was the other fine folks here who read this forum I want to KNOW the truth, and to have the FACTS available to make up their own minds, and NOT be misled by folks with an obvious agenda which is PROVEN selfish as it doesn't affect/effect ANY one of them, yet they fight the choice, and have stated NO good reason(s) for doing so, just this week I have once again asked them to do so (giving them another chance to prove me wrong ).....they've not done it, once has to suspect by now with months of time to get it done and not, that they simply can't.....or they KNOW that the full truth IS they're being selfish for NO good reasons..
For exposing this simple truth, they've attacked me personally, because and only because I know the fine folks of NJ are smart enough to think for themselves..
Since they CAN NOT prove one of my facts or any of the real relevant data wrong some make false and foolish claims, actually calling me a liar (but have NEVER proved one single thing I've posted as false....EVER) Typical LIBERAL politician style no less!
WE'VE all seen this done many times, make claims against someone, doesn't matter IF they're true (or you know they're not) just call them names, sling that mud, and HOPE upon hope some sticks to the wall!
NO, I'm not a "joke" nor a liar, they KNOW this, but again hope some of the shit will stick ....I don't think the fine folks on this forum are so easily fooled.....
THEY talk about this issue "dividing hunters", well ask each of them IF they hunt with a compound, then remind them THAT "divided hunters" too, for some time but once it became legal, that was "that", the division ended....AND because some fought for THAT CHOICE they are NOW able to enjoy the fruits of other's labors who in their stead FOUGHT to get compounds added as a choice.....see I KNOW what took place, they don't want YOU fine folks to KNOW this is "nothing new" and the division IS made by THEM.....
THEY want to TELL YOU (dictate) what YOU can hunt with........THAT is divisive.....
THEY want to give you the "crumbs" and keep the best parts of the seasons for themselves....THAT ID DIVISIVE...
I Want ALL archery hunters on the same level, as ONE stronger voice.... THAT IS UNITY
I want YOU to decide for yourselves, I promise you I won't be upset IF you choose to not use one, they on the other hand WILL be upset IF YOU want to use one or fight for YOUR right to choose for yourselves..
My way makes US ALL stronger = unity their way makes us weaker (and would cause EACH of you to pay MORE to be able to hunt in the future than you would have to pay....THEY don't care about that though, ONLY that you do it "their way or not at all"
Oh sure they will spin, deceive and taunt (and have already) to TRY to cover up the TRUTH of what is going on and which stance is indeed divisive,
I simply don't think anyone is falling for it.....and IF I'm "so wrong"....and "I" don't care about the future of NJ archery hunting OR it's future NATIONWIDE (as some TRY to claim) WHY won't they answer MY questions?
They're not avoiding me, obviously this page alone proves they read my posts (even though claiming I'm a little turd and a joke)...
WHERE ARE THEIR PROPOSALS TO ADD TO OUR NUMBERS TO INSURE OUR FUTURE?? HOW exactly do THEY propose to help with the inevitable increased fees that WILL come unless we ADD to our declining numbers and ACT and FIGHT for OUR SPORT?
Some would have you to believe that fighting for what you believe in is wrong or divisive, but ask yourselves ..... each one of you, where would WE be if we never fought for what we believe in ,and our forefathers did the same........
WHAT country would we be in ? We would be slaves! ALL of us! YES they want you to believe that fighting for what's RIGHT is a "bad thing" (YET they ARE fighting YOUR choice and the right to make it)[confused]
The FACT is, this won't be up to me (or them) it WILL be up to each of you fine folks (who don't post or get into the "mix"......and who can blame you, IF you value freedom and the rights that come with it you WILL be attacked , insulted and called names)....
IF you want to pay much higher fees in the near future, then oppose choice and the crossbow inclusion that comes with allowing others to decide for themselves......
IF on the other hand you don't want to see major increases in fees for hunting AND you don't really care what Little Sue or Old Man Jones is archery hunting with "over there", then join US in this reality of doing what can be done NOW to insure OUR future and the future of OUR sport.....
Crossbow inclusion is PROVEN to work to aid in hunter numbers period! Both in NEW hunters and in retaining older hunters THAT should be OUR goal, to ADD to OUR sport, and to keep our own kind as long as they wish to remain, NOT exclude weapons AND the fine folks who wish to use said weapon...especially when it doesn't affect/effect ANYONE else in any way!
I've asked and everyone can see they've not posted THEIR alternative ideas....just maybe they don't have any?
Whatever the case most realize it takes $$$ to operate F&G ......WHERE will that money come from in the near future?
Obviously keeping things "as is" (which IS what they want) isn't working too well, hunter numbers continue to decline causing higher fees for ALL of you!
Case in point.....
WE need to get these amendments passed in EVERY state, to insure our future, however WE must realize WE also must take on the FIGHT to make it "work" once passed.......without raising the fees to the level we force EVEN MORE hunters "out" of our sport!
Some things that have been tried and worked extremely well in other states are crossbow inclusion for the entire archery seasons, FREE youth days, $5 Senior license/tag combos (one small fee good for everything, hunting/fishing, deer/turkey tags included to make those on "fixed income" financially able to remain in our sport so long as they wish and are able) Discounted youth fees (under 16 usually)....
For example in Ky the Senior deal costs them only $5 , but the state F&G receives $15 in "matching funds" through the P-R act..... (one of the things that "I" worked on here) making it a "win-win" for all. Same principle on the youth deal...plus NEW hunters (or new to another form) contribute by gear they buy through the P-R act.....every shell, arrow, broadhead, gun, bow, crossbow, case, etc.etc. ALL adds up and is another STRONG reason why numbers matter so much in reality!
I agree 100% with the concept, but have to ask WHERE will the $$$ come from to make that awesome goal a reality????
WE need to get these amendments passed in EVERY state, to insure our future, however WE must realize WE also must take on the FIGHT to make it "work" once passed.......without raising the fees to the level we force EVEN MORE hunters "out" of our sport!
Some things that have been tried and worked extremely well in other states are crossbow inclusion for the entire archery seasons, FREE youth days, $5 Senior license/tag combos (one small fee good for everything, hunting/fishing, deer/turkey tags included to make those on "fixed income" financially able to remain in our sport so long as they wish and are able) Discounted youth fees (under 16 usually)....
For example in Ky the Senior deal costs them only $5 , but the state F&G receives $15 in "matching funds" through the P-R act..... (one of the things that "I" worked on here) making it a "win-win" for all. Same principle on the youth deal...plus NEW hunters (or new to another form) contribute by gear they buy through the P-R act.....every shell, arrow, broadhead, gun, bow, crossbow, case, etc.etc. ALL adds up and is another STRONG reason why numbers matter so much in reality!
This is where your wrong there ace, NJ did "consider" it. And we still are considering it. But since it was not accepted as you wish we are all selfish. So your not asking us to consider anything, your telling us to accept it. And when we don't, we're the selfish bowhunters of NJ.
Imho, if the shoe fits wear it. This has been going on on this forum for well over six months. There was only 3 states that allowed xbows in archery seasons for years. In the last few years that has changed to 10 or 12. This trend has allowed tons of data on their use to be compiled, most of which has been presented here, then promptly ignored by some.
if you are against them, fine, this is American and that's your right. Sorry for some of you that keep bringing a knife to a gun fight [no data] to see you lose your cool and resort to name calling ect. No one ever intended to even remotely try to change your closed minds, however, there are far more fence sitters than there are you few. I'm willing to bet a frosty cup of Kool-Aid and a shiny new tin foil hat your 2000 survey ends up for xbows. Have a Merry Xmas!!
Seems "someone" is a bit nervous about the truth coming out, deleting relevant data and proof about this issue from the CROSSBOW FORUM [confused]
NOW I have to wonder WHY the insults and name calling about ME were NOT deleted as well?
I did not insult anyone ONLY showing the truth, WHY would that be removed, but posts calling me a liar (with NO proof) a turd, a wedge and a$$hole be left up?
NOW I have to wonder WHY the insults and name calling about ME were NOT deleted as well?
I did not insult anyone ONLY showing the truth, WHY would that be removed, but posts calling me a liar (with NO proof) a turd, a wedge and a$$hole be left up?
Here is an "interesting link" on the same folks trying to TAKE gun days from other hunters, and FIGHTING for it, read for yourselves..
Selfish desires
Selfish desires
THAT should not matter in a Crossbow Forum, the material WAS related to either this issue or relevant data about crossbows....
In reality it was the TRUTH that "bothered someone" IMO....
Which is funny to me considering that the "other side" seems to state that everyone should hear ALL sides of the issue, then truth that harms them (not us) is deleted....but the name calling and insults (and false allegations of lies and misinformation ) were left alone.....
It's obvious that "some" feel it's FINE to FIGHT with other hunters on issues (so long as they're not fighting for crossbow choice) but don't want anyone to see when THEY wish to TAKE from hunters themselves, and IF allowed would easily prove this whole issue IS about them wanting to keep things as they are for themselves.....
The TRUTH is nothing is taken when crossbows are included YET the same folks whining and bitching about crossbow inclusion want to TAKE away gun days (see thread I linked above), (which was deleted along with REAL proof) of the FACTS....
Now I'm not one to complain, however in the spirit of fairness, IF/when FACTS are going to be deleted, I simply expect insults and name calling aimed toward me, either be proven or deleted, " a level playing field" isn't asking too much now is it?
Folks HERE is the quote (from the above link) that was deleted, YOU decide, WHAT other purpose than hiding the truth was it deleted for??
Think about this...
Numbers show Bow 40%, Shotgun 40%, ML 20%, but ONLY shotgun season NEEDS to be lowered??? (accroding the the VERY same folks who bash ME for wanting a choice and FIGHTING FOR IT)....
WHAT IS the message REALLY here?
THEY want to TAKE from other hunters, and asking for others TO FIGHT to do so, even to DEMAND that...
I'm asking others to FIGHT for CHOICE, where nothing is taken..... not ONE single thing!
MORE MINE,MINE,MINE and "do it MY way or not at all" BS .....does anyone REALLY wonder why that was deleted??
Please do not be decieved, the crossbow issue in NJ has ALWAYS been about NOT wishing to share what they do not even own, a PUBLIC archery season......
NOT only that but NOW they want to TAKE gun days away from YOU fine folks..!!!
All the while "acting like" fighting for a cause is "evil".......LMAO....
IF , I were such a "joke" and such a "meaningless turd" ....."that no one takes seriously" I have to wonder WHY then would MY posts even be read, (much less deleted)
THEY not only don't want YOU to decide for yourselves IF you wish to use a crossbow, but they also don't want you to gun hunt as many days!
NOW let's seriously look at what is "what" ......and who IS (and has been) telling the whole truth...
THEY can DEMAND and FIGHT , but when "I" or "WE" do it, we're "wedges", cause "division" and don't want unity (according to THEM).....yet they ARE trying to TAKE gun days from the MAJORITY, WHY?
Think about this...
Numbers show Bow 40%, Shotgun 40%, ML 20%, but ONLY shotgun season NEEDS to be lowered??? (accroding the the VERY same folks who bash ME for wanting a choice and FIGHTING FOR IT)....
WHAT IS the message REALLY here?
THEY want to TAKE from other hunters, and asking for others TO FIGHT to do so, even to DEMAND that...
I'm asking others to FIGHT for CHOICE, where nothing is taken..... not ONE single thing!
MORE MINE,MINE,MINE and "do it MY way or not at all" BS .....does anyone REALLY wonder why that was deleted??
Please do not be decieved, the crossbow issue in NJ has ALWAYS been about NOT wishing to share what they do not even own, a PUBLIC archery season......
NOT only that but NOW they want to TAKE gun days away from YOU fine folks..!!!
All the while "acting like" fighting for a cause is "evil".......LMAO....
IF , I were such a "joke" and such a "meaningless turd" ....."that no one takes seriously" I have to wonder WHY then would MY posts even be read, (much less deleted)
THEY not only don't want YOU to decide for yourselves IF you wish to use a crossbow, but they also don't want you to gun hunt as many days!
NOW let's seriously look at what is "what" ......and who IS (and has been) telling the whole truth...
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