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like these politican geniuses came up with something new. rubber buckshot has been used since 1997, the yellow black mouth curs have been here for four years, 2.5-million pieces of bear education stuff have been produced and distributed since 1998. another bad part is that although the division could use money for wildlife control unit, we know corzine-jackson are proposing their goofy stuff only to prevent a bear hunt. and don't think they came up with anti ideas on their own. corzine would not know crap about bears if antis were not feeding his staff humaniac info. nonlethal means no hunting, education means making believe that's a hunt alternative--these are words right from the kooks' antihunting playbook.
 
NJ the most expensive state to live in with the nation's highest taxes...all because of bleeding heart liberals. Miserable.

We pay taxes on what we earn, we pay taxes on what we then buy with what we earned, we pay taxes on what we sell, we pay taxes on what we win, we pay MORE taxes to control things we should be able to control via hunting (another thing we spend money on that we earned).

What a damn racket...listen I love this nation, but there is no denying they rape the shit out of us on everything...and NJ is at the top of the list! [down]

I seriously wish all of the sportsmen in NJ would cumulatively agree to NOT hunt or fish (i.e. not purchase a fishing or hunting license) for an entire year. Tired of paying for licenses, permits, stamps, etc and getting the short end of the stick on all of it. [mad]
 
So if I understand this correctly in order for the bear hunt to resume one of the following needs to happen.

A. someone is killed by a bear thus whipping up a pro-hunt media frenzy.

B. someone organizes a lobby/pressure group that is as effective as the anti's. Or does one exist already?
 
Dragthor we have to apply for rubber buck shot and a "conditioning permit" ( another $28) then after conditioning bears to stay away at the new spot we take video and can have replica mounts done. LOL
 
Watson said the plan also includes the hiring of six additional personnel, including wildlife biologists to help in bear research, additional wildlife technicians to remove nuisance bears and conservation officers to help with enforcement. He said another two to four DEP staffers would be reassigned to help with the program.
so is corzine going to listen to them when they all say the same thing "we need a hunt" probably not
 
Maniac,
I'm surprised at you!

How come you are not questioning the very NEED for a hunt for several reasons first being the FACT that "The Div. of F+W biologists are beholding to the hunting comunity for their very jobs" How can any of their info be trusted and or relied upon?

Has the Black Bear been compleatly "Recoverd to historic levels in ALL suitable Black Bear habitat remaining and or maturig here in tha garden state?

I think not and the fact that Black Bears deal with both over population (Of their own sepcies)and reintroduction of new and or depopulated habitat via dispersal than would it not seem "For the best" that those misguded people who sunk their life savings into land, homes, farms and businesses in the northern end of the states Black Bear Habitat be forced to "Bear with it" for a while untill FULL RECOVERY of this wonderful denison of the woodlands is compleat as judged by both Government bureaucrats and the likes of the BEAR group and Sierra club / NJARA?

It seems to me this is the most ecologicly sound thing to do and I would bet my dinner your professor is in total agreement with me here.

After all don't we want "as natural an ecosystem as we can get even if that means less game to hunt"?

Hey there has been a lot of money spent here so "why should we limit their reintroduction too" just one area in the state?

I say recovery will not be compleat untill there is a "Chicken in evry pot" and 2 TWO Bears in every garage! What say you now?
 
I'm just about speechless at this point, the moronic things these politicians do in are state should be illegal and when it comes to wasting money like this and crying about property taxes and shutting down the state to raise taxes in order to just turn around and find worst ways to waste more of our hard earned money "Is Absolutely Deplorable" and they should be held accountable for this CRAP.

ALSO where are all the dumb ass people like STUpid who is always crying about how much money is waited on hunting and hunters {when in reality it is hunters dollars that pay for most everything related to wildlife} How come his type aren’t out here yelling fowl at the thought of all that money being wasted on moving problem bears from here to there to be some one else’s problem or causing them pain by shooting them with rubber pellets which in the long run is crule. I think that ass much of a governor should give and put that $850,000 to better use like for kids with autism, or to help off set some of the school budgets around the state.

I think that it’s time for the NJ F&WL. To make a proposal to hold a hunt and charge a permit fee and use the revenue to help support N.J.F&WL as well as help promote better ways to deal with problems between people and bears in the future. Such as bear proof cans and hiring more biologists and setting up meetings with towns that have the worst problems with bears so UBNJ can bring in bow hunters that can access these areas that gun hunting would not be an option in and permanently remove problem bears that would normally slip thru a hunt.
 
If I find a 200 pound bear confronting my 12 pound terrier in my back yard, do I have the right to shoot the bear?


NO.
So if a bear is in your yard and starts to push on your door or windows, you have to call 911 and wait 10 minutes for the cops or animal control to show up? What happens if the bear gets through?
 
So if a bear is in your yard and starts to push on your door or windows
Bear in the yard eating your 12 pound terrier? don't shoot.. NJ will say the eating of the dog is a property loss, not a danger. You can bet you will be charged.

Bear pushing on doors and windows? Blast away. You'll still be charged in this unbelievable state, but at least you'll be alive.
 
Blast away. You'll still be charged in this unbelievable state, but at least you'll be alive
I can't agree more...tell you the truth, it my dog is being attacked, I'm shooting then too...I'll take the penalty if that's what they want to do.
 
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Bear in the yard eating your 12 pound terrier? don't shoot.. NJ will say the eating of the dog is a property loss, not a danger. You can bet you will be charged.

Bear pushing on doors and windows? Blast away. You'll still be charged in this unbelievable state, but at least you'll be alive.
People please.... NJ residents are VICTIMS. Self defense is rarely if ever an option....
 
The bear problem will never go away if this is the way the people in charge plan on "controlling it". But you know there will always be those folks who live in the heart of bear country and practice SSS. Cant really blame them now, can we?

I used to think it was terrible that people would do that, and I dont condone breaking laws, but now I believe they are in the right. They have a problem that no one else will fix, so they are forced to take matters into their own hands. Good for them. [up]
 
All the troubles reported are probably half if not less of the incidents that take place. Most people I know never report any of it. I know I don't and none of my neighbors do either. We live here by choice so we know the deal and deal with it as it happens.
 
If I find a 200 pound bear confronting my 12 pound terrier in my back yard, do I have the right to shoot the bear?
Im blasting away! If the state didnt like it and wanted to arrest me. OK. I'd be out eventually and I never forget,,,, [hihi]
 
Now the bears themselves will determine whether there will be a hunt in the near future.
Not whether.....when. Just a matter of time. Tick, tick, tick......

In the mean time.....S.S.S.
 
If I find a 200 pound bear confronting my 12 pound terrier in my back yard, do I have the right to shoot the bear?
Sure you do. Just keep it between you and the bear. When an amimal is hit in the gut you never know how far it will run before it lays up.S.S.S.
 
When is this whole debacle going back to court? Is it in March?
Yes
 
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