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Which is 100% his fault.
But why!!!!!???

I simply do not understand, and YOU need to explain it to me.

I don't understand why the guy was simply denied solely on the fact that he did not want to do a "home interview" in order to "physically verify residency".

No other police department does this

So rather than say little comments that leave people clueless, Help us understand why
 
Discussion starter · #125 ·
But why!!!!!???

I simply do not understand, and YOU need to explain it to me.

I don't understand why the guy was simply denied solely on the fact that he did not want to do a "home interview" in order to "physically verify residency".

No other police department does this

So rather than say little comments that leave people clueless, Help us understand why
Trust me its not worth trying to understand. I've gotten the same comments several times solely on the basis that it is just easier to comply. The most chickensh#t reason imaginable. My assumption is people with that opinion are often alpha-maled in life.
 
Whenever you invite police into your house you better believe it's a defacto consent to search anything they see in plain view. If your marijuana plants are on the table as you sit down for your interview, it's not going to end well for you.[lol]
 
From your posts I can tell either one of two things.. 1) you are current or ex law enforcement or 2) you are one day going to find yourself in a world of trouble (unless of course you are all internet talk and aren't nearly as stupid as you sound)
1) That's a swing and a miss
2) Looks like someone had their sensitive spot hit. Again, you're playing hard ball and so are they. You didnt get your way so here you are crying wolf. Your "what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong" motto is going to get you far.....especially when you can't even get an FID card updated
 
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1) That's a swing and a miss
2) Looks like someone had their sensitive spot hit. Again, you're playing hard ball and so are they. You didnt get your way so here you are crying wolf. Your "what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong" motto is going to get you far.....especially when you can't even get an FID card updated
Lol well that speaks volumes for your lack of any rational then. And clearly I would be the first person in NJ who had to appeal an FID decision for a BS reason. Don't worry little boy, daddy will fight for you... you go back to being pushed around by the head fry chef.
 
Discussion starter · #129 ·
1) That's a swing and a miss
2) Looks like someone had their sensitive spot hit. Again, you're playing hard ball and so are they. You didnt get your way so here you are crying wolf. Your "what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong" motto is going to get you far.....especially when you can't even get an FID card updated
Also congrats on being the first person I've ever come across to use "crying wolf" incorrectly... watch those Essex County school systems... they aren't applying those subsidies appropriately.
 
Whenever you invite police into your house you better believe it's a defacto consent to search anything they see in plain view. If your marijuana plants are on the table as you sit down for your interview, it's not going to end well for you.[lol]
Another stupid comment. hopefully a joke. But if you or your friends should drop a joint on the floor by accident you should be denied.
 
and a cop with a hard on could easily find something that he swears is proof that search warrant is warranted. Spoon on the end table .. Unmarked pill bottles. Rag with paint on it . He may not get it but you can't fault anybody for not wanting to open that door , no pun intended .
Just FYI... the last thing a cop writing FID cards wants to do is write a warrant. You guys are smoking weed. Actually most cops probably never have and never will write a warrant.
 
I know little about you but my assumption based upon your SN is that you just might have a biased opinion on this matter. I'm not the least bit looking for anyones sympathy but you HONESTLY don't see a problem with REQUIRING the admittance of an investigator into your home as a fundamental requirement to being granted your 2nd amendment right? I mean cops are specifically tasked with upholding the rights of the innocent, many of them constitutional. No one wants to think a LEO would ever do something unethical during a home visit but they are imperfect human beings. I've come across some in my personal life with VERY questionable moral compasses. You throw out all your assumptions of "why would he" but the question will always revert back to "how can he". Black and white, cut and dry, they have no right to enter your home as a condition of a FID card EVEN if they have some sort of red flag. They still need to abide by the laws set forth by the state of New Jersey. Am I going to pay for it? Yup... should others before me have put their foot down years ago and stopped this practice, absolutely. Don't be a coward or try to buddy up to some sense of LE community. What is right is right, what is wrong is wrong.



And Like I suggested many many pages back.... Pony up and do what you need to do. Stop pussyfooting around on a message board to gain a sympathetic ear to "the cause" lmao... This has NOTHING TO DO WITH A "2nd Amendament Issue" and EVERYTHING to do with YOUR PRIOR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES!!!!
if you are right and no mental condition causes the need for a home visit from the local Pd then you will gain your card...
Bitching about it here does absolutely NOTHING....


You are worried about letting a cop in your house...
The cops are worried about giving someone who has seen a mental health professional a card to buy guns!
YOU are the one who had previous issues that required YOU to get a drs signature before you could even get a card.
Now you move but don't want the cops to Physically SEE where YOU (the one with prior problems) moved to...

I wouldn't give you a card to buy firearms either....
To much could go wrong with that scenario and frankly your not worth jeopardizing a career over....
 
My tale of woe? In your fantasy was I calling the cops cause you raped my cat ?

Cant even vent have an honest convo with you when it comes to LEOs

It wouldn't surprise me in the least randy if you were the fabled cat-man of the pittman grove..........[lol][hihi]
Anywho...Getting back on topic
if you DONT want police at your house Then DONT call them or give them a reason to be there, if there is a need for them to be there then by all means keeps the conversation outside your house for ALL your neighbors to hear unless its a case of domestic abuse, which if so the police have EVERY right to enter to your house and look for signs of such without a warrant...
that's what I mean about it being pretty simple...
There is No "Honest Conversation" with you when it comes to ANYTHING LEO related as you have shown your true colors for many years on here
 
Hello all,
I registered with the site JUST in light of my recent FID card ADDRESS CHANGE denial.

I live in an undisclosed town in Monmouth County... I was recently contacted after submitting all required docs on an address change (including what I believe is a BS requirement of additional background checks and references just because I decided to move to a different town) to conduct an "in person 10 question form" which was a way of sidestepping the investigators request to come into my home. Well I declined allowing them into my home and told the inspector I would be happy to come to the local PD and provide any additional documentation/proof of address they needed. I was then told the chief suggested I would be declined because they would have no way to "physically verify" that I lived where I said I did. I called someone in the state police with the fire arms division who was very helpful. He even called my municipality and tried to put them in line. He was under the impression that the approval would be granted after his convo. Well low and behold today I get a letter from the PD saying I am declined due to "your refusal to permit Inv. XXXX to conduct an in home interview with you and physically verify your residency in XXX".

My record is clean... I have visited a psychiatrist before but did disclose that on the state form. It was for IBS symptoms from stress that I sought medication for. My doctor signed off on my initial permit and I haven't had any visits since my initial permit in 2012.

I'm assuming that while I am annoyed by the fact I actually have to appeal this, it should be a pretty easy win in my favor (I had to chose which constitutional right I was forced to give up, the 2nd or 4th ammedment) it is obviously going to cost me to hire an attorney.

Do I have any recourse for such a blatant abuse of power and deviation from state policies in regards to the firearms permit process? I'm really hoping that I can get them to cover my attorney costs since it seems to be such a clear violation of my rights.

I am reasonably sure that I cannot sue a police department in most situations but wanted to hear what others thought.

So what is it you seek???????
Money for a legal challenge?



1. The way I see you obviously are someone who had some mental issues as you clearly stated less than 4 years ago.

2. You needed a Dr to sign off on your well being before you recieved your first card.

3. Now you are upset the local PD wont give you a second card AFTER you moved because they want to verify that you actually did move...

4. Put yourself in their shoes... Would you give someone who had past mental issues a Firearm AFTER he moves but DOESNT want you to SEE that he moved where he said he moved to? Answer honestly....
 
Hey Matty boy, if (and it's a big if now) you ever get your little situation figured out I found the perfect gun for you to purchase. Heck I'll even chip in for you

 
His past mental doctor visitors were before he got his FID. Meaning, he's already been approved even with those visits. So why should he be denied over something he's already been approved of? That doesn't sound right to me... The OP has stated that he was never been (not one single time) in trouble with the law, and the smallest of smallest incidents with any cop would jeperdize his career. So I'm callin. BS to those who are telling the man he has something to hide. Honesty, this whole problem is because the police department is doing something NOT required by law, and the OP is standing against that. I don't blame him. If I don't let you officers on this forum search my vehicle after being pulled over for speeding is that considered probable cause? NO.... So same thing goes for the mans house, if he doesn't let an unlawful practice in his home, does that mean he's hiding something? NO
 
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