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RDF this is a start. The division first needs to know hunters are not happy with what they are paying for. We will get that break down by zone at the end of the year but we need them to take it further and get the numbers from private land to public land on the harvest. This is a start we need to walk before we can run.
Christ, even Susan cunthoe knows about the Freedon of Information Act. Wouldn't the state take any action more serious if the management proposed changes you want are rooted in facts instead of a bunch of " I feels or I thinks"?
 
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Why would the club's want to post anything here. It would just turn into a $hit fest. [confusedagain]
You are probably right. I just like hearing the totals and highest rack count from each club. I remember getting those totals from Herb Blackwells column in the Trentonian when I just started hunting.
 
So if there is 20 men in 5 clubs you don't think each hunter should be alowed his deer. But 100 individual guys would be fine. Cmon.
100 individual hunters would hunt in various parts of a park/wma. All at different times. All taking a deer that they wanted to shoot at. They would also have as doe permit for each hunter. That would mean more legitimate money for the fish and game spend
Clubs come in numbers for a drive, they strip the natural resources and then move on to the next property!!!
 
Strip the property of natural resources is far from the truth. Most clubs do not kill does. And most would have a way better chance of killing a deer sitting over a bait pile. I know I hunt with a club and would greatly increase my odds sitting in my regular stand however it would not be as fun or have the comaderie that I get from hunting with a club. Since Len was kind enough to put up his clubs numbers. I will use that as an example. 6 bucks killed. I will guess they had at least 25 guys come through for at least a day during the week between guests and regular guys. 0.24 is the average. So for every 4 guys they killed 1 buck. Now that ain't stripping nothing. I bet the same people who cry about driving would cry about no space.if the same 25 guys started baiting the same wma or other state land.
 
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most would have a way better chance of killing a deer sitting over a bait pile.
Believe me up north bow hunters take way more than few local gangs that make drives on state land during six day,the numbers arnt even close
It would be just the opposite in South Jersey. the whole reason those few clubs can go through and kill 100 bucks in a week is because bow hunters sitting in stands didn't kill them.

Strip the property of natural resources is far from the truth.
Do you live or hunt anywhere near Salem or Cumberland County? They do exactly that down here.
 
SHOCKER! A post about club deer numbers turns into a bashing of and argument about deer drives. Let it go guys, maybe this is why this sight doesn't attract hunters because they fear about their style of hunting is going to be bashed by some dude on the internet. This is why I usually do not go on here during this time of the year. Grown men acting like children, "my way of hunting is right and your's is wrong!" I was curious to find out numbers when I clicked on this post as well and I do not know why I expected anything but deer drive hating.
 
SHOCKER! A post about club deer numbers turns into a bashing of and argument about deer drives. Let it go guys, maybe this is why this sight doesn't attract hunters because they fear about their style of hunting is going to be bashed by some dude on the internet. This is why I usually do not go on here during this time of the year. Grown men acting like children, "my way of hunting is right and your's is wrong!" I was curious to find out numbers when I clicked on this post as well and I do not know why I expected anything but deer drive hating.
I'm not anti club, I've hunted with one and enjoyed it but I do wish they would not kill every deer they see, which is what happens.

I responded to this though because the hypocrisy of your post is just too funny. You do realize that the part of your post I bolded is EXACTLY what you are saying to others, don't you?
 
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