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Spectacular! There are currently 7 users browsing this thread. (4 members and 3 guests)
 
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#62 ·
JackHarris said:
Did I say everyone that shoots buckshot is drunk? NO... I am talking about a specific group, and they are drunk, and they all use buckshot, and its doubtful they ever patterned their guns. I am not making it up. Again - if you don't have this problem near you - you are fortunate...
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I can tell you are frustrated with a particular situation at your hunting location. If what you claim is true then you have reason to be. The problem is that you were not clear in stating this in your thread. It sounded like you were blaming buckshot and driving for the poor condition of some deer. This is why people took offense to it. A lot of people voice their frustrations on here but it probably falls on deaf ears because the people they are directing the rant to probably don't even know NJH exists. I belong to a club with 28 members. Only one guys goes on the forum but is not even registered. He likes to see the deer pics. So, I'm sorry that a lot of people condemned your post. It should have been better thought out. You have started some great threads in the past. Everyone is entitled to a bad moment.
 
Discussion starter · #63 ·
The real point of this thread is - know your target. Know your range. Buckshot is a deadly close range option. It should be patterned and practiced just like a bow, a x-bow, a slug gun, or a muzzy... PERIOD... I am quite sure this situation is not unique to my area. If it is - wow its a lot better than I thought.

I will say this - with some optimism... I think the inbred goober brown and down mentality, is slowly being phased out. It may take another generation or two, but I see that being replaced with the modern young "pro staffer" who although can be annoying because they seen too many TV shows and try to make that their reality, it's better for a healthy deer population (and safer).
 
#64 ·
Jack it is quite obvious that the problem isn't the buckshot it's the individuals. Buckshot is perfectly lethal given a specific range and well patterning gun. Your frustration has led you to blaming the arrow and not the Indian. The deer you've posted are NOT buckshot hit deer but you've jumped to conclusions due to anger and provided a boner thread [hihi]
 
#65 ·
Have always liked reading your posts, didn't always agree, but they were respectable opinions. However on this post you came across one sided about buck-shot hunters by generalizing them as poor sportsman. If I was reading this forum and didn't hunt I would think anyone with a gun was a drunk, crazed, shoot anything that moves lunatic. How does someone know if you have a slug gun, muzzleloader? We are all the same in the publics eyes. Yes this is a hunter forum, but this sport is all about ethics. Unfortunately when we are afield {deer hunting] we are alone. Only you yourself can make an ethical decision. Some people choose to make bad decisions , to blame buckshot hunters as a whole is what I got from your post.
 
#66 ·
Sadly, I feel this forum stereotypes (not this thread, in NHJ in general) the firearms hunter as respectfulness, loon, douche-bag, messy or something like that... that is my feeling, the way people here talks about "the orange army" is no the best. Sadly I see the same thing with Fly-fishing guys and the guys who use spinning reels. Don't understand the reason to do this... but I find this thread useful, anyway.
 
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The one is buckshot hit the other is probably slug, muzzy, or arrow. Like I said, I have a lot more pics, and have seen them up close with my own eyes... It's not briars, it's buckshot. And I also said, I see it EVERY year for the past 12 in this area. It's the result of as someone put "spray and pray" and I have heard these morons say "I once dropped a deer at 100 yards with a single pellet". You trying to tell me I am the only one seeing this across the entire state?

I have also seen first hand 3 different people shot with buckshot back in my old youth "gun club" days... So until you see firsthand how dangerous it really is in the wrong hands, you really don't know from which I speak. I will always advocate a single, accurate projectile any day of the week. That being said, there are many that probably have never wounded or lost a deer to buckshot, because they are responsible.

I really don't care if this is a boner thread. Can't win them all - if it can sway the behavior of some, it was worth it.
 
#69 ·
I bet there's more wounded deer by bow hunters and guys flinging slugs at 300yds cuz they have a 220 then buckshot guys hell I love the bow that's my go to toy anymore but don't harp on guys who use buckshot.buckshot is very deadly on deer I don't even remember losing deer shot with number 4 3 inch magnums
 
#71 ·
JackHarris said:
. I am talking specifically about the drunken shoot at anything brown you see regardless of distance trespassing gang that rapes all my private lands every shotgun season. The deer don't look like this until they start their routine. And it won't end until shotgun ends. Same crap every year. Did I say buckshot is bad for all? No I didn't think so. In the right hands and when practiced it's very effective. If you don't know the type I"m talking about them you are very fortunate.
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Ok, so you clarified your position on ammunition....Great.

Now, what have you done to rectify your situation with these guys that are:
1. Drunk
2. Tresspassing
3. Shooting at anything brown

Did you call the local police department?
Did you call your area CO?
Did you take this group to task for trespassing on your private property, face to face?

If buckshot in and of itself is not the reason for this post, what have YOU done to rectify the problems you are facing with drunken trespassing shoot at anything yahoos shooting YOUR deer on YOUR property with buckshot?
 
#72 ·
I have also seen first hand 3 different people shot with buckshot back in my old youth "gun club" days... So until you see firsthand how dangerous it really is in the wrong hands, you really don't know from which I speak. I will always advocate a single, accurate projectile any day of the week.
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Again you're blaming the arrow and not the Indian! I know a poster on here that was hit with a 00 pellet in the leg, I guarantee he was glad it wasn't a slug. He was hit with the pellet BECAUSE OF THE INDIAN NOT THE BUCKSHOT. A unsafe individual makes ANYTHING unsafe, would you feel better that a slug was fired over the crest of a hill than buckshot? Of course not.

I really don't care if this is a boner thread. Can't win them all - if it can sway the behavior of some, it was worth it.
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Your prissy,whiny post won't change yahoo behavior Jack. They could care less what YOU or ANYONE else thinks
 
#73 ·
I think the point here was that people should be more respectful to the animals with their shot selection. The spray and pray mentallity does exist and it makes us all look bad. I think Jack's frustration prevented him getting his message across clearly. I don't think he is doing anything wrong by calling these wreck less hunters out , because they do exist. It happens with every weapon but certainly more so with buckshot because of the mentallity behind the trigger. I think the frustration stems from the lack of respect to the animal. There is more time taken and more intent of a clean kill with a single well placed shot. Sort of like a sniper vs. an enemy with an AK held over his head firing aimlessly just trying to hit anything.
 
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makosnax said:
I think the point here was that people should be more respectful to the animals with their shot selection. The spray and pray mentallity does exist and it makes us all look bad. I think Jack's frustration prevented him getting his message across clearly. I don't think he is doing anything wrong by calling these wreck less hunters out , because they do exist. It happens with every weapon but certainly more so with buckshot because of the mentallity behind the trigger. I think the frustration stems from the lack of respect to the animal. There is more time taken and more intent of a clean kill with a single well placed shot. Sort of like a sniper vs. an enemy with an AK held over his head firing aimlessly just trying to hit anything.
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So everyone that uses a single projectile has never wounded a deer?
The AK and Sniper have their places in battle. You would not use one or the other under the wrong conditions. Just like buckshot.
 
#77 ·
Hey Jack Harris - for every photo you post alleging that deer were hit by spray and pray buckshot, I can match with a deer wounded by an arrow. For those trappers who say that snares don't cause suffering to caught animals, I can post pictures to the contrary. Maybe I should start some of those posts? Know why I don't? Cause I am not an elitist jerk-off.
 
#79 ·
I believe buckshot is illegal in several states. Because of all the buckshot misuse here you would not hear me complain if they outlawed it here.

There are places here in NJ I bowhunt that if I fire arm hunted there I would use buckshot because of dense saplings that would stop or divert a single projectile. However, I just don't hunt these spots with a firearm because there are better places that allow me to use the maximum effective range of my muzzloaders or slug gun.
 
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