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That picture looks like he is getting a prostate exam.
What they are proposing is aimed towards retailers and manufacturers. It appears to just be about record keeping and building security. Doesn't seem to be all that bad but who knows until the actual bill is proposed.
What they are proposing is aimed towards retailers and manufacturers. It appears to just be about record keeping and building security. Doesn't seem to be all that bad but who knows until the actual bill is proposed.
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It could be worse.
Be careful here! Keep eyes open. This all sounds "reasonable" - but the anti-gun folks slipped in a doozy here. They changed the definition of allowed semi-auto SGs and its possible thousands of current legal guns (some owned by people on this forum) will be made illegal by a swipe of Christie's pen if he doesn't scratch that from the proposal.
http://njsp.org/news/pdf/rp_20141215_1354.pdf
http://njsp.org/news/pdf/rp_20141215_1354.pdf
Oppose this proposal unless and until that is stricken from it.
We have to nip this in the bud now.
I sent the following via Office of the Governor | Contact Us
Consider sending something similar. They are continually attacking us by chiseling away little by little and they will not stop until even a single-shot .22 is made illegal.
I sent the following via Office of the Governor | Contact Us
Consider sending something similar. They are continually attacking us by chiseling away little by little and they will not stop until even a single-shot .22 is made illegal.
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The law is already one evil feature for a semi auto shotgun. The state police code will now match the already written law. As it reads now it's one evil feature for semi auto shotguns, the state police code says 2 evil features. They are just fixing the contridiction between the two. If it were two evil features I could own a semi auto shotgun with a pistol grip and a detachable magazine. Instead we have saiga's with regular shotgun stocks.
Ahhh... I was wondering why this was shoved in there buried with the rest. I hate this two sets of laws (admin code and statutes). I see it now where the 2C law says that it is illegal to possess "A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock."
My question then becomes - why don't they correct it going the OTHER way? Why not say, "one say two or more, the other says one or more. We correct this and change the "one or more" to "two or more"? Of course they would never do that - make a currently illegal firearm legal again.
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They will never do that bro, that would make all us 2A guys smile. This is NJ after all... I would be buying some stuff if they did change it in favor of 2 evil features though. You know because my Saiga is so much less lethal with a rifle stock without a pistol grip lol... makes zero sense, cosmetic features BS to make our lives more difficult, that's all.
Thanks for the heads-up. I copied your letter and sent it to the Gov. Hope it helps.
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Hey at least we get a bear hunt [eyeroll]
This bill is much worse than it first appears. Why? The provision in it that those on the terrorist watch list will not be issued the ID cards to purchase firearms. At first, and that's why it's a very dangerous bill, it sounds reasonable. Who wants terrorists to be buying firearms? But few realize who gets put onto these lists or why they got there. The list is secret. There is no appeal to find out why you are on it or how to get off it. You generally don't know if you are on it till you are denied entrance to an aircraft. As to who is put on that list, if there ever was a black hole in law enforcement this is it. The Feds will not tell you the criteria. Even the ACLU, usually no friends of ours, have run into a brick wall about how this black ops functions. It is know that there are a number of people who clearly were mistakenly put on that list but even judges have a hard time, in the name of security, from finding out anything about this watch list or getting law abiding citizens off it. I am not even sure that people who run the terror watch list would give this info to any NJ state agency. Any appeal from a NJ citizen to get off the list in order to get the FID card could result in that info becoming public. How many of you would keep your jobs if the word got out that you were denied a gun permit because you are on the Terrorist Watch List? This new bill is an easy way for the government to deny one's right to purchase a firearm, just put the names of folks it does not like on the list. No recourse. I hope our gun clubs and lobbyists recognize this bill for what it is. A stealth disarming bill masquerading as a safety issue. When the topic comes up in conversation be certain to tell your listeners this aspect of the bill.
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Forget Christie for a moment. It does not matter where the bill originates but where it stops. That Terrorist Watch List ploy is one of the most harmful and sneaky tricks I have yet seen inserted in what otherwise seems a boring bill to most legislators. Considering the number of people on that list already for, God alone knows what reason, I would not be surprised if there are already a number of NJ citizens on it whose first discovery that their name is on the list is when the NJSP yanks their purchase card. Whatever you think of the other parts of the bill, we had better wake up to this one.
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Or, you wish the FBI would do away with the list altogether?
So, you want people who are on the FBI Terrorist Watch List to be able to legally purchase firearms?
Or, you wish the FBI would do away with the list altogether?
Ryan S: I wanted to think a bit before I replied to you. I am not sure you read the posting previous to the one you replied to. In that first one I thought I did a pretty fair job of pointing out why I think this portion of the new bill was not a good idea for several reasons, but you are correct in pointing out that my two postings should have included what I would prefer with respect to firearm possession and the watch list. I don't want the FBI to discontinue the list and I don't want terrorists to be able to lawfully purchase firearms but if firearm possession is to be denied to those on the list, at least here in NJ as this bill will require, there must be some due process procedure, some kind of legal mechanism, some kind of hearing , where a person who finds himself on the list has a means to challenge their inclusion on that list and a way of getting off it. Presently there is no such protection under federal law. Should a person be denied the NJ purchasing card because his name winds up on that list, what is he supposed to do? If the NJ bill is so constructed that a person denied the card is given a due process hearing in a NJ state court where he may challenge his inclusion on that list and if the Feds cannot, or will not divulge why he is on it, then that person should be permitted to go through the normal procedure for getting and keeping his card.
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