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Mahoney86

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So after years of trying and coming up without seeing any deer worth taking a shot at I finally got on a new spot at a tree farm this weekend and have been craving venison long enough so I took my first doe. Had 3 does grazing for an hour. Had all 3 within 10 yds. I waited til I had my shot and took a 100% broad side shot at the largest one. Smack, a few inches back and above the shoulder. All 3 deer just stood there looking lost. The one I shot started to walk like she was drunk looking. Started walking towards the brush stumbling while other 2 just stood still. She feel and then the others bolted. The doe immediately jumps back up and starts running in circles like a dog chasing a it's tail. And then just casually walked back Into the middle of the field and lays back down. I saw the entry hole and thought it was a perfect shot it was a little too far back so now I'm thinking dammit it's a gut shot. I wait about 30 min to see what happens and she gets up and moves into the brush. I'm at total loss thinking the worst that I got shot her. She was far enough away now and it was almost dark so I decided to climb out of the stand and check the arrow. The arrow was covered in dark red blood and there was dark red splatter on all the leaves where I took the shot, no green or foul smell at all. So now I'm thinking ok it's a liver shot. I pull the arrow out of the ground and I notice there is no broad head on the arrow, I look around and the broad head is a few inches away from the arrow. I was shooting NAP Thunderheads on Carbon Express Blue streak maximas. I walk back to the car to grab a brighter flash light and wait in the car for an hour. I slowly start back over to the bush which is now 2 hours since the shot. She is in same
spot and still breathing. Every breath she takes I can see hair sucking into the arrow hole and every exhale I can see the arrow blowing out of the hole. So now I was at a total loss. She seemed calm but I knew the coyotes would get her and I felt a had a moral and ethical duty to finish the kill cleanly. I took a clean second shot from a few feet away and she poured blood like crazy and was gone in a few seconds. this time the nock of the arrow completely blew off the arrow upon impact, totally separate arrow then my first shot.

so I'm confused about a few things. Ultimately it seems like my shot
placement was not right. All I can think is it was a crappy liver shot or only a meat shot and she would have lived fine. the air coming of
of the exit hole made me think it was a lung shot but if it was a single lung the lung would be collapsed and not able to push air out if it. I practice hard have 1/2" groups out to 30 yds but the nothing can prepare you for the adrenaline in the field. I know in my mind I told myself I'm going to put meat in the freezer today no matter what, which typically isn't my philosophy.I love the thrill of the hunt and have passed up shots in the past for various reasons. Did I rush the shot, no. Could I have took a deeper breath before I pulled the trigger definitely. Next time I will be better prepared since my first one is in the books, but I don't ever want to just sound a deer again. The animal deserves a clean quick kill and that did not happen. I don't know if something happened with the broadbead or my shot angle was too high from the stand. I never had an issue shooting something for 20+ yds away but never felt I good be face to face and looking a wounded animal in it's eyes and pulling the trigger but when I saw her in wounded I knew the right thing and the respectful thing had to be done, kinda feel I really came I into my adulthood by being able to do that.I thanked God and the deer for the meat they provided me and hope to not have that happen again. Not sure if I should contact NAP about the broadbead coming out or carbon express or if it was simply shooter error
 
Just take it as a learning experience. Doesn't matter how many deer you shoot in how many situations, you're gonna be scratching your head once in awhile. Some deer are just tough and sometimes you just never actually know what your broadhead did inside. Use obvious judgement based on what you see and the sign you have and give every deer the appropriate amount of time. It's all you can do really
 
It's not the broadhead, it is just shot placement. Shooting a live deer with a bow is a lot different than shooting at the range, you are nervous and shaky; sometimes you blow the trigger. If it went high chances are you didn't zero your bow with your broadhead, always practice with the broadhead you are using, they usually fly higher than field points.
 
You said the broadhead fell out? Can you explain? Because sometimes the glue these shops use suck and it's the insert that comes out.

I had it happen to me twice so now I just have them cut it and I put the insert in myself with expanding glue. it take 12 hours to set up but it is rock solid. I am not a fan or these archery shops these days as they have been doing crappy work from the complaints I have been hearing from various customers of various shops.
 
You did the right thing when you finished her. It happens, so just be prepared. Shot placement on live animals for newer hunters can be hard. Most new hunters get the shakes real bad which affects shot placement. I missed my first buck decades ago because I got buck fever and missed. Learn to become a disciplined shooter and that goes away until after the shot. Congrats on your first with the bow!
 
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You said the broadhead fell out? Can you explain? Because sometimes the glue these shops use suck and it's the insert that comes out.

I had it happen to me twice so now I just have them cut it and I put the insert in myself with expanding glue. it take 12 hours to set up but it is rock solid. I am not a fan or these archery shops these days as they have been doing crappy work from the complaints I have been hearing from various customers of various shops.
correct the whole insert pulled out so obviously sounds like a glue issue. Same for the nock I would assume
 
Congrats on your first deer!
Sounds to me like a solid liver hit with a clipped lung = lethal hit
Now stop beating yourself up.
For your first deer you did almost everything correctly.
First you were patient and waited for a perfect broadside shot at a deer within your confident shooting range.
Second you observed the reaction and travel of the deer after the hit and made fairly accurate deductions and responses.
Third, when you realized it was a marginal hit, you backed out.
Now here is your only mistake - you did not back out long enough 4-6 hours minimum for suspected liver hit.
Luckily, she gave you an opportunity for a follow up shot and didn't bolt.

While we all strive for that perfect double lung each shot, deer are not a stationary target and can move/react at the shot.
The following pics have been posted in other threads on this site.
As you can see, a liver hit is within an inch or two of being a double lung hit.
Perhaps she started to move forward as you released.

Again Congrats on your first deer.
 

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Things happen, and it sounds like you did everything correctly. You didn't shoot right away, you let the deer move in close so you had a better shot, and you let yourself calm down...(lets face it, if you know you have a deer in front of you that you're going to shoot you get excited and nervous...every one does so giving it time before taking the shot when the opportunity to do so is available is a good call), on top of that you waited until you had a broadside shot...Your shot placement may have been a bit off, but that's OK, it happens...you followed up just like you should have....you didn't jump out of the tree fist pumping like they do on TV, you stayed quiet and followed her actions after the shot, you stayed still and watched her movements to be better able to locate her....When you got down, and made your initial inspection of the arrow, you made the correct call in backing out and waiting a while....and when you finally did take up the track, you located her quickly, saw that she wasn't finished, and you made a solid following up shot to finish her off....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF HERE...you did just what you were supposed to from start to finish...as for shot placement, all we can do is practice, but nothing is like drawing down on a live deer...all you can do with that is learn from experience...congrats on your deer! good work
 
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Thanks for all the good advice and telling me to stop beating myself up. It's hard being the only one in my family and group of friends that hunt so I'm proud to hAve taken my first deer and I was smart enough to do 95 % of the right things.

as far as dressing the deer, it had 4 holes in her and I was in a rush to get her guted and to the butchers late at night so I didn't inspect her too well. Looking back I wish i did but had a lot going through my mind
 
Placing arrows in and out of quiver can place stress on inserts and on borderline glued inserts can break loose in colder weather. Maybe check the twist on the head prior to nocking up in stand, if the insert rotates grab another arrow to hunt with, then re-glue that insert when you get back.

Good reminder to bring up thanks.
 
Congratulations on getting your first deer. You did the right thing. Equipment failure happens. Take the time to look at the organs and see the shot placement. It's crucial we learn from our errors and that is one of the best ways. Look at pictures of deer in different standing positions. Learn where the vitals are on a live deer.
 
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