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#81 ·
Jason1 said:
I think deer drives suck and bring out the worst of all that may call themselves hunters. I've had nothing but bad experiences and they trash the woods. Since these slobs can't police themselves I voted to ban them. I'm not however under the illusion that my vote counts for anything.
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thats funny from a guy with a 2nd ammmendment avitar, sounds like sweeny and cryan " since these slobs cant police themselves i voted to ban them"
 
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#82 ·
overtimehunter said:
thats funny from a guy with a 2nd ammmendment avitar, sounds like sweeny and cryan " since these slobs cant police themselves i voted to ban them"
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Wtf is your point about the second amendment and what does it have to do with what I said. The 2nd has nothing to do with hunting you prick! Obviously you took offense to the "slobs" comment because you are probably one of the clowns I'm referring to that thinks WMA's are your private dumping ground where you can toss your wawa cup wherever you finish it, spray paint and cut down trees at will and shoot at whatever moves only to figure out if it was legal or not after the fact. That's what I'm referring to and why I'm against drives. Has absolutely nothing to do with guns being involved.
 
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Jason1 said:
Wtf is your point about the second amendment and what does it have to do with what I said. The 2nd has nothing to do with hunting you prick! Obviously you took offense to the "slobs" comment because you are probably one of the clowns I'm referring to that thinks WMA's are your private dumping ground where you can toss your wawa cup wherever you finish it, spray paint and cut down trees at will and shoot at whatever moves only to figure out if it was legal or not after the fact. That's what I'm referring to and why I'm against drives. Has absolutely nothing to do with guns being involved.
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no i take offense to people who want to ban things just because they dont like it! iam sorry you could not understand the similarity to you wanting to ban drives, and sweeny and cryan wanting to ban guns because they dont like them! as to the illegal activities some may do, if you read through all my previous posts you would see i too am 100% in agreement with you as to what some people do while hunting, those people are outlaws
 
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#85 ·
I could go on about this all night, I'm not against drives or the camaraderie or tradition that most say they enjoy, it's the gang like thuggery, the litter, the theft, the illegally shot does and spikes left to rot and the trespassing I don't like and for that reason I am against drives like it or not I don't care.

In other words my dislike is based on facts and reasoning whereas Sweeney and the like base their disdain for guns on myths and anything but logic.
 
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Jason1 said:
I could go on about this all night, I'm not against drives or the camaraderie or tradition that most say they enjoy, it's the gang like thuggery, the litter, the theft, the illegally shot does and spikes left to rot and the trespassing I don't like and for that reason I am against drives like it or not I don't care.

In other words my dislike is based on facts and reasoning whereas Sweeney and the like base their disdain for guns on myths and anything but logic.
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what about the legal hunter , the seasons and places you are allowed to shoot does and spikes! we dont need more laws and regs like most laws it will only impact those who obey them, not the criminal outlaw poacher!
 
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Jason1 said:
I could go on about this all night, I'm not against drives or the camaraderie or tradition that most say they enjoy, it's the gang like thuggery, the litter, the theft, the illegally shot does and spikes left to rot and the trespassing I don't like and for that reason I am against drives like it or not I don't care.

In other words my dislike is based on facts and reasoning whereas Sweeney and the like base their disdain for guns on myths and anything but logic.
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if you are basing your reasoning on the above statement then maybe we need to ban hunting all together!!! you can look at past posts and see that behavior in every type of hunting pheasant hunters shooting toward roads ,cars and other hunters I can go down to the local boat landing and see trash stacked in the parking lot after the duck hunters leave and listen to the bitching over who was in who's spot, how many times have we seen threads from people mad because someone sat in his/her seat / spot ,how many times do we read about another bowhunter walking through the woods still hunting ruining another hunters hunt.how many stands have you walked buy with cans / bottles and wrappers laying around.and don't even try to say that a tree stand hunter will not shoot illegal deer.. The real problem is some people believe its not hunting or no one should hunt other than the way they do.
 
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buckhound said:
if you are basing your reasoning on the above statement then maybe we need to ban hunting all together!!! you can look at past posts and see that behavior in every type of hunting pheasant hunters shooting toward roads ,cars and other hunters I can go down to the local boat landing and see trash stacked in the parking lot after the duck hunters leave and listen to the bitching over who was in who's spot, how many times have we seen threads from people mad because someone sat in his/her seat / spot ,how many times do we read about another bowhunter walking through the woods still hunting ruining another hunters hunt.how many stands have you walked buy with cans / bottles and wrappers laying around.and don't even try to say that a tree stand hunter will not shoot illegal deer.. The real problem is some people believe its not hunting or no one should hunt other than the way they do.
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Then the only real problem is, is that there are not enough game warders to catch all these idiots in the act. Because of the idiots, just like everything else in life, we need to be policed more.
 
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Wtf is your point about the second amendment and what does it have to do with what I said. The 2nd has nothing to do with hunting you prick! Obviously you took offense to the "slobs" comment because you are probably one of the clowns I'm referring to that thinks WMA's are your private dumping ground where you can toss your wawa cup wherever you finish it, spray paint and cut down trees at will and shoot at whatever moves only to figure out if it was legal or not after the fact. That's what I'm referring to and why I'm against drives. Has absolutely nothing to do with guns being involved
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Based on this all ranges, and WMA's should be shut down. After all if the WMA's weren't there, no one could litter them. We need more of us to police the rest of them. You see someone throw something say something. You'd be surprised on the reaction you will get. I do it all the time, I ask people to pick up their hulls.
 
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overtimehunter said:
and how many 12 year old kids got there first buck because dad knew that a lot of people would come in from that parking lot, and was sure to come in from the backside of the swamp or steep ridge the bucks would run to! it works both ways as far as guy tresspassing thats not hunting thats poaching. as far as guy stealing it happens all seasaon not just gun season. its just wrong and those are thieves not hunters. its simple dont wont your gear taken on state land, dont leave it there! i see 100's of $ worth of stuff all over the woods some for years at a time ! i dont touch it,nobody should touch it , but they do ! would you leave a 100$ bill stapled to a tree
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Tell me how many? Because I'd be surprised if the answer is more than 5. This is dumb ass logic to say that people are going into the woods expecting drivers and hunting based on where they think drivers will be. Last time I checked, we're hunting deer, and deer movement, not people movement.

Regardless, this is the dumb ass logic of hunters like you who think they're doing good by driving the woods that I no longer participate in 6 day shitter week. You can keep it.
 
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happybloodtrail said:
Tell me how many? Because I'd be surprised if the answer is more than 5. This is dumb ass logic to say that people are going into the woods expecting drivers and hunting based on where they think drivers will be. Last time I checked, we're hunting deer, and deer movement, not people movement.

Regardless, this is the dumb ass logic of hunters like you who think they're doing good by driving the woods that I no longer participate in 6 day shitter week. You can keep it.
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Thats why only 5% of the hunters can regularly kill deer during 6 day. You need to think of all factors not just the deer patterns. If there were more actual hunters and not cry babies on this sight they wouldn't cry about drivers but use them to thier advantage. Not just drivers, but just other hunters in general. When I bow hunt I have one stand I make sure to get in real early cause I know the guy who hunts on the otherside of the piece gets in around 330 and its like clock work the deer come to me. Know your enviroment and all the factors and youll be a better hunter.
 
#92 ·
The issue I see with driving deer in Jersey is not the actual act of driving deer BUT the number of people utilized to do so. Ive seen times where there are 50-70 guys doing pushes. That is ridiculous.

The way to enforce driving laws with set limit of people participating... Say 25 total is to make them maintain a roster of all hunters and posters so it can easily be checked by your game wardens.


Ive pushed way bigger pieces in Pa with less than 20 people total between drivers and standers for bear and have success...
 
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allmann1 said:
Thats why only 5% of the hunters can regularly kill deer during 6 day. You need to think of all factors not just the deer patterns. If there were more actual hunters and not cry babies on this sight they wouldn't cry about drivers but use them to thier advantage. Not just drivers, but just other hunters in general. When I bow hunt I have one stand I make sure to get in real early cause I know the guy who hunts on the otherside of the piece gets in around 330 and its like clock work the deer come to me. Know your enviroment and all the factors and youll be a better hunter.
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you're seriously comparing one guy who goes to his stand every day at 330 to a gang of 30+ driving piece to piece?
 
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Still no one has explained how you will enforce this. How??? Its impossible other than to limit size of group and that would be difficult as well. Lets just say they did put restrictions on drive hunting. Whats to keep a group of people from still hunting through the woods 75 yards apart moving in unisen towards other people.......Nothing. You can't enforce it! So why keep moaning about it. As others have said learn to hunt the environment your in. I would bet that 80% of the deer taken, off public land, during 6 day, have been moved/jumped off their normal pattern whether intentional or not intentional. So for everyone here moaning that they scouted public land for 6 day firearm that is absolutly foolish. How long is that 10 pointer you've been watching gonna hang around with everyone moving around the woods, before 6 day starts, stand hunters coming in a day or 2 before kicking up the woods, scouting out a nice spot, with cay eyes, and flagging tape. Setting up their stands and climbing sticks and cameras Mr. 10 pointer is long gone, so is Mr. Eight,Seven and six. At least the deer drivers are not kicking up the woods prior to 6 day. My point is it goes both ways. If you don't like something don't participate in it. Take your vacation days during bow or mzl or permit shotgun. If you don't like drivers don't hunt public land during 6 day, hunt it any of the other 90 or so days we have for hunting when no one is in the woods. I hunt all seasons and methods and love it all!! By the way drive hunting keeps the sport fun for the older guys and the younger kids.
 
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happybloodtrail said:
you're seriously comparing one guy who goes to his stand every day at 330 to a gang of 30+ driving piece to piece?
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obviously you don't understand using your surroundings, it doesn't matter if its one guy or thirty. It is about using what is going on around you. Its actually better if it was more. Find the spots that cant be driven and use that to your advantage. Its about putting some thought in to your strategy, not picking the first nice trail/scrape/rub line you see. Every swinging dick has probably seen the same trail/scrape/rub line and the area will be stacked up anyway.
 
#96 ·
If makes everyone happy i have been involved with drives with bow, mzl and shotgun i do drives all season long why limit it to six day only. Screw anyone that doesn't like it and wants to bitch about it. I don't like trapping but i don't bust peoples balls and push to ban it. I just don't trap then! Grow the f@"k up
 
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overtimehunter said:
i see 100's of $ worth of stuff all over the woods some for years at a time ! i dont touch it,nobody should touch it , but they do ! would you leave a 100$ bill stapled to a tree
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Lots of good points on both sides here, but this quote is not one of them. Please stop using such a dumb comparison. Seriously...would you leave $15,000.00 sitting in a parking lot? What, you say no? I guess you shouldn't leave your car there, right.

As for those who say " you hunt your way and let others hunt how they want" or "if you don't like drives, don't do them"...the problem is, when a big drive comes through where you are hunting, they are forcing you to hunt their way...they are forcing you to be a stander in their drive (that is, if they give you a chance and don't post someone right next to you). They are not allowing you to hunt your way, but forcing you to hunt their way.

I would never support banning drives, they can be fun and have their place but do think prohibiting them on WMA's the first two days of 6-day is a good idea. And on WMA's with low deer numbers (which seems to be about most of them in my area), they should look into how much driving they allow during permit season, strictly from a resource management standpoint... but I know they will not.

Nothing will happen here, the Chair of the F&G Council has already said he will never support any type of restriction on driving, as have other members. That guy is so committed to driving, if there were only two deer left on a WMA, he would allow drives to kill them both. Just dumb but hey, that's who we have running deer management in NJ.
 
#98 ·
I have been in a deer hunting club since I was 15. I am 56. My choice was one in the Pines off Rt 539 Whiting,the other is my present club. I find it fun and it's great to hear the oldtimers talk of hunts way before the Pines got hunters like the numbers now because the woods up in Central & N Jersey are mostly posted. During the early years ( 40-50-60-70 ) not a lot of hunters wanted to hunt in the Pines,because the bucks were a lot smaller than those above the Pines. In the 40's clubs started in the Pines because deer were plentiful and it was about feeding your family NOT how much the animal scores ! There are clubs in the Pines that are over 80 years old and still are getting hunters to carry out the CLUB TRADITION. I say if you have not tried it don't knock it/us who love it. I have been on hunts where our club has made a stand hunter/ pot hunter lucky and our members even helped the guy gut and drag it for him,and I have seen were we drove and yes messed up a guy sitting all day up. No one hear should knock anyones way to hunt. If your a REAL SPORTSPERSON you would honor any legal means of the way we all hunt.
 
#100 ·
We should stick together...
Im starting to think its not a matter of what season and when. Its more about there being bad apples in every sport no matter which you choose. Policing ourselves is the way to go but that wont happen with so many guys. Lots of good points on both sides of the fence.

I would hate to see tradition change for the old timers, young guys and just plain ole good guys. At the same time, as mentioned before, its the guy who sits under your tree and lights up his cig or the guys leaving trash everywhere they go and spray paint trees. I see the trash thing a lot more after drives than anything but that doesnt mean they all do it nor does it mean no bow/muzzy hunter doesnt. Policing ourselves come to mind again?

The clubs with 75 guys in one drive should be restricted to 25 definitely. Clubs should have group 1,2,3,etc maybe?

Its also a shame there are not more game wardens. I really wish there was! I myself as I've gotten older have tried one thing in life and thats to be completely honest with everything. It makes me feel better. If I accidentally drop something its not an "oh well" its an "oh sh^t" and pick it back up. So more game wardens in the woods wouldnt bother me one bit. If you live guilty you feel guilty. Live honest and more wardens/cops whatever would only make you feel better.
 
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