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Dave, I visited your booth on Sat with my two sons and do appreciate the work you guys do. A GSP is in our near future.

I think if you reread my initial post the only negatives where towards the people dumping the animals.
Fair enough, but if you visited the booth on Sat and saw me why wouldn't you ask the questions to me instead of posting something like this? If you met me (I was the guy with the shaved head and goatee), then you saw my demeanor and how I am with all the folks who stop by the booth. I've had folks actually have a lot of questions answered just by listening to me explain things or answer questions to others there (it does get very crowded when we have the dogs out for the folks to meet and interact with). If you are planning on getting a GSP in the near future and took the time to stop by a GSP Rescue Exhibit - and DIDNT ask these questions then I'm not sure what to tell you. We have adopters approved right now who are waiting for a specific dog, whether it's a pup or one who has already had gun training or whatever. As I would've explained to you there, we get in dogs with all types of backgrounds, and make a point to place the right dog with the right adopter.

I do apologize for being confrontational but as I explained this is something I am passionate about. I'm obviously not an Anti or tree-hugger. I hunt, fish and am eating dried venison sausage as I write this. As I mentioned I don't rag on anyone's interests or area's of support - but I do take offense when a comment is thrown out there without knowing the details, about something I contribute money, time and passion to (it was 1.5 hour ride in the rain both ways to stand on my feet for 9 hours at that event on Saturday - so I could top the night off by throwing a few $20's in the donation jar) - and it was worth every minute as a few great connections were made and a few possible adopters were educated on the process!

If you do have any questions about the Rescue or the breed, please ask before you acquire a GSP from anywhere (breeder, rescue, whatever).

Thanks.
 
Let me give you some reasons people drop off their pets that I have seen first hand. I would say 85% legitimate reasons 15% assholes.

elderly person going to a home
we had a house fire that put the owner into a rental that didn't allow pets
new baby was allergic
kids developed allergies over time.... can't keep the pet.
home foreclosure, new cheap rental doesn't allow pets.
loss of job, can't afford food and vet bills
terminal illness
etc.......

Shelter dogs do have sad stories. Some are surrenders and some are strays never claimed.

Here is is how to eliminate asshole owners that you think are the reason rescues and shelters are filled. All dogs and cats must be licensed and microchipped for each twp. Canvassing by your local aco will find you and your pet if not licensed = more revenue for the twp. Cats and dogs found as strays or trapped will be placed by law in the shelter for 2 weeks to see if they will be claimed or not. If not, they will be thoroughly evaluated and put up for adoption or given to a rescue group if they pass. Feral cats will go bye bye since no one is going to pay for a license. Every owner abiding the law will be accountable for there pet every year. Shelters and rescues have strict adoption policies and it should be mandatory for breeders and pet shops as well. Don't ever think your aco is a jk because he or she commits their career to stoping the abuse and making sure pets live in good homes.
 
it's not necessarily the easy way out for people looking to dump dogs. people could just throw them out on the street, dump them in WMA's, State Parks, Farms etc......taking them to a shelter gives the dog a second chance. Which is better then no chance. if the shelter in my town did not give my pup a second chance, she wouldn't be here today. she was brought to the shelter found as a stray pup who was found in an abandoned lot somewhere in the paterson area.....brought to the area with two of her sisters. of who are both adopted out to local respectful families who love them very much......my pup unfortunately was adopted out to a girl living with her parents....well the father was not an animal person and felt the dog wasn't warming up to him.....never bit him or anything, just wasnt social with him.....well who knows what kind of past she had on the streets with men......anyway she was brought back to the shelter and given a second chance.....my mother went and picked her up and for 4 months now shes been a huge part of our family. she is a border collie retriever mix as per the analysis of the vet. she was apprehesive toward men at first, seeing that 3 grown men, my father my brother and i living in the home, i can see that being very intimidated for her feeling like there is now 3, and not just one scary big man in the home. well you know what gosh darn, she warmed right up to us once we proved ourselves to be caring human beings and is now one of the best, if not the best pup i have ever owned. I'd much rather spend the $35 adoption fee than $800 to some breeder just so they can pump out some more inbreed labs, spaniels, pointers, etc.....for pure profit with no care whether the dog has any social skills or is even spoken for when the breedings are planned. besides mutts live longer, and i get a kick out of people asking me what kinda dog she is whenever i take her out, since she is a mixed breed.
 
Nothing wrong with the OP's views.
Some of you guys need to learn that not everybody has to agree with your views on every subject. My experiences in hudson and essex county shelters will be different that what you would be seeing in cumberland. Which means is some ways, i would agree with the OP.
Seems as though Dfile75 needs to learn about forum etiquette, or how to get his point across without personal insults.
No idea where you came from but yet again - another poster with absolutely nothing meaningful to add to this thread. If I take offense to something I'll reply as I see fit. I was clear, forward and passionate in my wording. As I mentioned earlier feel free to read through my previous posts on any other thread - I have never insulted nor ragged on a single person on here. This one hit home and I responded. Deal with it. If you cant deal with it then back out of this thread and read something your a little more comfortable with. If you had actually taken the time to READ the my reply you would have understood that the shelters which you speak of have basically nothing to do with what's being talked about here.

All: If my wording has offended anyone please accept my apologies. While it was (misguidedly) aimed to insult the OP it was not meant to offend anyone else on here. After replying back to my post I understand where the OP was trying to come from. I do regret insulting the OP however I stand behind where I was coming from. I did not become a member here nor spend time reading many posts on here each day to get into a bashing or pissing match.
 
Dave,

I understand completely.

I don't consider what you do and the service a shelter provides even remotely the same thing.
No problem Sunsign, As I said earlier I'm here and happy to answer any questions you may have on this. I do apologize to you for the insult in my original reply. If you did meet me on Saturday then you already know that my wording in my original post does not reflect my personality.
 
A lot of these dogs are from people who lost thier homes died or became unable to care for them the one I got was a 4 month old puppy and yes I was dumb for not knowing much about female dogs cycles but I figured it was safe infertile sex I never had a female before. Her I still don't care about her having puppies it's just more dogs to love
 
The only shelters that I have a problem are private. They purposely bring in animals from out of state or country and promote the sad backgrounds for profit. They are a business that sells a product. They will not help out locals and send them to other twp shelters who provide a service to the local area. They charge extremely high adoption fees and are in it for all the wrong reasons.
 
What it come down to is most of us on here love our dogs as much as the human members of our family and are quick to defend what we believe in. I don't think anyone has any ill will towards each other or the animals in question it's just difficult to express how we feel online without out a genuine person to person emotionally felt conversation. He'll I would have 10 dogs if my wife let me and I could afford it I just love them all to death no matter what they are! I spent 3 hours outside with my dogs today in the lovely 50 degree weather just so we could have some together time and they have been miserable cooped up these past few weeks.

Anyway at here is a picture of my rescue and although she looks like she would eat you alive she is the biggest sweetheart you would ever want to meet!
 

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Jimmy,
we need to have a beer and talk one of these days soon.
 
My dog was left tied to rock ..he deserved better. I wouldn't consider it a rescue but many people do, I just took him in. 12 pounds of terror and if I was looking for a dog this good I would have never found it. Did I mention he was left TIED TO A ROCK, call it what you want
 
I can think of 8 families with adopted pets of the top of my head I see routinely throughout the week.

3 got kicked back for good reason, totally out of control.

3 are still around but have that spooked out panicked rescue dog air about them. Hair on end, ears back….I just don't trust them and would not want them in my house.

2 are sets. beagle mixes and are totally normal.

I'm mostly curious as to where all these dogs come from and how so many people have them?
My observation exactly. Most rescue dogs I've seen have "issues." On top of which, most rescue dogs are "rescued" by people who are clueless on how to raise, train & handle a dog. The Disney crowd of liberals. The reality of a rescue often is far from the romantic image they harbored. A unacceptable combination. By the same token, if you make it onerous to get rid of the dog they can't control, they'll just drive it somewhere, open the car door, and let it run free. You'll wind up dealing with packs of feral dogs and trying to control them with being chased by taxpayer dollars to capture & put them down.
 
I'm sure this will be an unpopular post to most of you, but I really don't give a crap how you feel about it.

I'm form the sticks in Western New York. Farm land. If we had a dog that bit someone for no reason, you immediately took the dog out into the woods/field and shot it. OP, you rescued a "seriously screwed up dog" and put it back intot he systme for someone else to deal with.

YOU, OP are just as much to balms as anybody that puts a dog into the rescue program. You got one out an ddidn't wnat to deal with it, so you gave it back. You are one of them. There is nothing that separates you from them. YOU are the person you are railroading against. You are your enemy!

Yes, I've rescued a dog. yes, I'll do it again. I can't see the need to buy a thousand dollar bird dog when I have access to many of them for free. I get so many offers of people trying to give me a dog because they know I will hunt it and the dog is a trained hunting dog that doesn't get time in the field. there are many dogs ready to go like this. I found 2 yesterday in under a half hour.
 
My observation exactly. Most rescue dogs I've seen have "issues." On top of which, most rescue dogs are "rescued" by people who are clueless on how to raise, train & handle a dog. The Disney crowd of liberals. The reality of a rescue often is far from the romantic image they harbored. A unacceptable combination. By the same token, if you make it onerous to get rid of the dog they can't control, they'll just drive it somewhere, open the car door, and let it run free. You'll wind up dealing with packs of feral dogs and trying to control them with being chased by taxpayer dollars to capture & put them down.
and here we go again - I'm sure you can cite your extensive experience with rescue dogs and site the examples of the savage rescue dogs you speak of. I know I can cite a large number of rescued dogs I've ACTUALLY had the opportunity to spend time with / been involved in the process and the number of nightmare dogs you speak of is miniscule. Yet again, someone who clearly knows nothing of how the process works. Any 501c3 rescue organization has a thorough screening process for potential applicants which includes them showing clear understanding of the breed prior to adopting. The screening process is significantly more stringent than most job interviews even for the actual rescue volunteers.

When there's a problem with a dog it's NOT because a rescue group just took in and dog available and tries to pawn it off. That's what Shelters do, not rescue groups.

Liberals? Folks who rescue dogs are Liberals - really man? How about the numerous pics posted by NJH members in this thread alone, i'm sure myself and the rest of us on here are closet Liberals and thankfully you figured that out for us. I cannot even fathom how you made that stretch...

Yes, you figured us out - we just long for the day when we can spend our own time and money (not taxpayer money - idiot), pulling dogs from situations where they cant stay any longer and driving around the streets of NJ dumping them to add to the growing epidemic of feral dogs. Again, really? Feral dogs?

Learn how the process works, then comment if you see fit and cite your specific examples.

NJ dealing with the roving packs of feral dogs - being remedied by taxpayer dollars...are you on meds?
 
Growing up my father raised and bred beagles. We adopted three from a women who's hunter/husband passed once, all good dogs. We also took one in from the pound once…..seriously screwed up animal. He was back there in 3 days.

Nothing wrong with compassion. I'm just not sure getting behind shelters fostering the bad behavior is the responsible thing to do.
Nine out of ten times these dogs are abandoned because of irresponsible owners. Rescue is a way to give these dogs a second chance who were most likely given up through no fault of their own. There is a chance that a rescue may have issues which is why you must choose carefully depending whether or not you have children, etc. . That is the reason i have only adopted puppies. There is a chance of dangerous behavior from ANY animal but i think getting a dog as a puppy eliminates some chance of post trauma behavior.
 
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