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As a co founder of the NJOA
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palatable to who? Federation supporters? Division supporters? NJOA people?
To become palatable to them, I would have to agree with everything they say or do. I am not like that, if I think a bill is wrong, I will say it.
I busted my butt for the Federation the three months I was on the board of directors. Because I stood against them, they did everything they could to oust me. When we asked for evidence on the charges, they refused to show them.
They can go their way, I will go mine. Its fine with me.
To become palatable to them, I would have to agree with everything they say or do. I am not like that, if I think a bill is wrong, I will say it.
I busted my butt for the Federation the three months I was on the board of directors. Because I stood against them, they did everything they could to oust me. When we asked for evidence on the charges, they refused to show them.
They can go their way, I will go mine. Its fine with me.
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Because you were campaigning for election, and racking $$$ for mileage...
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I made a fortune off the mileage! I didn't start campaigning until I was ask for a resume. The only campaigning I did was read the resume when asked by the board of directors of the various clubs. Thats all over with now.
Who did all the leg work on the picnic? Who chased down the politicians that Frankie couldn't get an audience with,and got him his audience. Who wrote the letters to Senators pushing Demartino's appointment for the council? Not Frankie, not anyone from the board. Who went and talk to Ray about opening Double Trouble back up so hunters wouldn't get tickets for being in there after dark, about unlocking the gates, so guys could drive back in.
I was representing the Federation on all these, and didnt voucher mileage. I am the only board member that ever vouchered mileage. The rest just get a check.
Who did all the leg work on the picnic? Who chased down the politicians that Frankie couldn't get an audience with,and got him his audience. Who wrote the letters to Senators pushing Demartino's appointment for the council? Not Frankie, not anyone from the board. Who went and talk to Ray about opening Double Trouble back up so hunters wouldn't get tickets for being in there after dark, about unlocking the gates, so guys could drive back in.
I was representing the Federation on all these, and didnt voucher mileage. I am the only board member that ever vouchered mileage. The rest just get a check.
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Is the Fed good or bad? the answer is yes and no.As in ALL clubs and organizations there is politics.As some of you know I was the last life membership issued.I served on the Board Of Directors for years.I know first hand what goes on.When I ran and almost got elected to President,a certain former director of Fish and Wildlife threaten to quit as a officer if I got elected.So if you are one of the boys life is good,get out of line and you better be prepared to be slandered.This being said I still support those unsung heroes that continue to work within the system.Any group of sportmans that have the common good as a objective has my support.
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How long ago was that?
I have been with the Federation thru 4 Presidents and don't recall a contested presidential election except for the one in 2011.
We are no longer what I have heard as the "Good old boy's club"
The last 3 president have turned it into a growing professional, recognized, well managed organization
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It was in the late 90s as I recall.I ran against Frank Bittner.Yes I see a lot of the assholes are gone.Thats why I am not ragging on the present officers.I just know what politics and petty arguements do.As long as I have your ear,do you really think the Fed should back another fee for salt water fishing?If you do you will see people running away from the Fed.
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and who were the candidates, and what was the complaint.
and how many other organizations received a letter from Gov. Christie? Did the PAL's get one? Any of the fishing clubs? How about the FEDERATION did they get one?
If the NJOA, was the only one to receive a letter I will withdraw my opinion that the NJOA is dying.
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[confused]Not sure what you are looking for here but I am sure you know the answer already anyway.
if all the members of the NJOA-CF council listed a mailing address then 23 to 25 is a fair figure
this is not for me to answer
about 12 or more
Of course the did. One of our officers co-wrote the bill and had numerous meetings on it over the years.
But you knew that too!
Now let me ask you a few questions
Why all cap's when you write Federation?
Don't follow NJH site rules?
NJOA NJOA-CF & NJOA-EP very much alive and well!
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I didn't know it was against the rules to use capital letters. But then you know me, just a rule breaker!
I think it was Billy Cooper, and there was some question about the voting.
Don't you know the answer or its top secret?
But the NJOA takes all the credit, posting a generic letter addressed to friend. I am sure the 12 fishing clubs got a letter with their name mentioned in the body of the letter.
I understand that it takes alot of orginazations to get something like this passed. But instead of the NJOA, sharing the credit, they claim it all for themselves.
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If Whiskers wants to start a new organization thats his right.Leave him alone.There can be alternate organizations.
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Why did you ask when you knew it was Billy?
AS a BOD I heard of no official complaint during or after the election.
Not to my knowledge.
Then again you offer me baited questions when you have an assumed or generated answer in your thoughts.
I have no knowledge of any PAL's attending any meeting in Trenton or any legislators office with the NJOA or NJSFSC regarding HOFNOD.
If the PAL's promoted HOFNOD on their own in which I am sure they may have then I congratulate them and any other group. If they want to be recognised by the Governor's office it's for them to request it.
The NJOA is taking only the credit due us and if there are other organizations that were in the fight they should ask for their share.
As you know Trenton is "Generic".
I did not see copies of the letters mailed out to the other NJOA -CF Council clubs and organization so I can't comment on it.
I hope that you and your fellow members of your new NEW JERSEY ALLIANCE FOR SPORTSMEN/WOMEN remember that statement when they create their By-Laws.
Oh Sh!7 I just broke a NJH rule!
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