the benelli m2 field steady grip it has a full stock with the pistol grip is that legal in nj
pistol grip shotguns legal nj ???
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it uses 20 and 30 round clips. we just cant win.
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Just to clarify what I posted earlier: Pistol grips on semi-auto shotguns are not illegal in NJ. If a firearm is NOT on the named list of banned firearms, it must pass a test of whether it is "substantially similar" to a firearm on the list. The criteria for determining the legality of a semi-auto shotgun is in my earlier post.
You can read the rest of it here:
http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
So, as long as it does not have an extended fixed magazine capacity exceeding 5 rounds, the standard Benelli M2 with the Steadygrip stock is NOT illegal in NJ. Even the M4 Tactical (with a factory magazine capacity of 4) is legal.
You can read the rest of it here:
http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
So, as long as it does not have an extended fixed magazine capacity exceeding 5 rounds, the standard Benelli M2 with the Steadygrip stock is NOT illegal in NJ. Even the M4 Tactical (with a factory magazine capacity of 4) is legal.
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Yet here is the NJ definition of a banned assault rifle...a marlin model 60 semi 22 that holds 17round in the fixed tube magazine. Yeah, at least one person is doing time for possession of this wmd.Not only too many, but rules (laws) that were crafted in response to some political hot-button issue, which ultimately fail to do anything more that provide some misguided politician with a reelection sound bite or photo-op.
The NJ AWB is the biggest joke of all. It keeps you, the law abiding sportsman from purchasing a semi-auto, pistol-grip turkey gun, but does nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminal gang members (who aren't exactly inclined to follow the law to begin with).
The NJ AWB was crafted under the notion that guns which "look evil" must be evil. The AWB both capriciously & arbitrarily banned guns on the basis of appearance and cosmetics alone.
Yet, other guns were victims of unintended consequence. The original Marlin model 60, a semi-auto .22 rimfire rifle used by coutless boy scouts & tin can plinkers, was included in the NJ AWB because it had a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. Hardly a weapon of mass destruction, but banned nonetheless.
Now a quick quiz for you, the NJ firearms owner:
Q: Is the rifle pictured below (which features a flash-hider, pistol grip, & an unpinned telescoping stock) banned under NJ's assault weapons law?
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A: NO, it's not.
"Why?" you ask ... it's because it's not a semi-automatic. This rifle is actually a pump action 5.56 manufactured by Dlask Arms Corp.
It sure does "look" evil though, doesn't it. roll eyes
Read it where? Honestly, I don't know why I bother. All these guys saying what they THINK instead of what they KNOW. Here's the law (Title 13 Chapter 54):
http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
Tell me where it says a pistol grip is illegal on all semi auto shotguns.
http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf
Tell me where it says a pistol grip is illegal on all semi auto shotguns.
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nj gsp,
please stop posting FACTS. It will confuse people around here... hunterdan199 is a cop, he should know...
please stop posting FACTS. It will confuse people around here... hunterdan199 is a cop, he should know...
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hahahahahaa that is funny
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so the benelli M R1 is legal?
http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/benelli_mr1_self_defense_rifle.php
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iii. A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(1) A folding or telescoping stock;
(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or
(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
or a pistol grip
(1) A folding or telescoping stock;
(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or
(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock
or a pistol grip
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I guess I'm confused on what IS a pistol grip, and what is NOT. Aren't all of these considered 'pistol grip'? If these were used on a semi-auto shotgun. i.e. can be held with one hand and fired repeatably.
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N.J.S. 2C:39-1z
"Pistol grip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand.
(That's what the law defines it as in NJ, whether or not it makes any sense or not is irrelevant.)
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With that definition it would lead one to believe that thumbhole stocks on semi's should be just as illegal as the standard pistol grip.
It's all up for interpretation-
What is a "well-defined handle"
How "similar" does it need to be to a handgun to be illegal?
How "conspicuously"...?
I have the 12 gauge that I learned how to shoot with about 17 years ago that is light as hell and can easily fire with one hand. Illegal? lol
It's all up for interpretation-
What is a "well-defined handle"
How "similar" does it need to be to a handgun to be illegal?
How "conspicuously"...?
I have the 12 gauge that I learned how to shoot with about 17 years ago that is light as hell and can easily fire with one hand. Illegal? lol
The intent of the original law was to ban pistol grip and/or folding stock semi-autos such as the Franchi SPAS 12. The text posted earlier is from a 1996 guideline issued by then NJ Atty General Verniero. Unfortunately the administration in 2007 incorporated Verniero's guideline into the law without amending the original 1990 law. Thus we are left with a law (that quite typically for NJ firearm laws) is contradictory.
So while it was in all probability technically if not subjectively legal from 1996 to 2007 based on the 1996 guidelines, it is not now & I stand corrected.
Provided we are looking at the most recent version, NJ's assault weapons ban is set to expire on November 13, 2012. Or has it been already been re-adopted?
So while it was in all probability technically if not subjectively legal from 1996 to 2007 based on the 1996 guidelines, it is not now & I stand corrected.
Provided we are looking at the most recent version, NJ's assault weapons ban is set to expire on November 13, 2012. Or has it been already been re-adopted?
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