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I've been there. It's much different geographically, I'm just wondering if your grandparents weren't born there, can an outsider from NJ ever be accepted or will we always be looked like we got asshole tattood on our foreheads.
 
I have a camp in wharton.... Been going up for 30 years and love it except for the outsiders who think they can do whatever the heck they want.
There really is no other person to blame than yourself for the way the "locals" treat you guys. You guys bitching are the ones who ruin the experience of Potter County for the people who actually appreciate the people and land, the rest of you are just in a pissing contest
. Jerseypersey is right... so stay out of pa and especially potter. Deer hunting isn't great like it use to be anyway and fishing gets crowded on weekends. go away... no need to pollute this beautiful area with posted signs and NJ plates.
 
Wow, I've had a much different experience since I was 14 up in Potter. I've been in a camp for about 32 years in Ulysses off rt. 49 where we have 186 acres and work closely with 5 neighbors to hunt about 750 acres. We each stay on our own ground on Monday of rifle season, but we all hunt/fish/trap each others' land with permission. No posted signs. We have far fewer deer than "the good old days" when you shot a spike and the pot-winner was a gnarly 5 pointer. Now we only see a handful to maybe 10 deer per day, but half are bucks and sometimes we see some nice bucks.

I hear that state lands are tough up in Potter, but I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that doesn't need to find out. We get along with the locals because we treat them with respect and let them hunt our lands when we're not up. In return, we get to hunt their lands for grouse, woodcock and turkey. They don't really hunt the grouse or woodcock, so we have a ball with our pointing dogs. And our bowhunters like hunting the rut now that the bucks are more mature on average and prone to rattling and grunting.
 
I like how you guys own 10 acres of land, put an obnoxious, completely unnecessary posted sign on every other tree, gang up on anyone you spot on your land, but hunt at your leisure on everyone's land besides your. There really is no other person to blame than yourself for the way the "locals" treat you guys. You guys bitching are the ones who ruin the experience of Potter County for the people who actually appreciate the people and land, the rest of you are just in a pissing contest. Oneshotkill,you are full of shit. Mound of deer carcasses, people cutting down trees to block four wheeler trails? Sounds like a S. Jersey native to me. The reason you have so many problems in Potter County is because of you, not anyone else. You look for problems.
JerseyPersey, you are an A-hole for your remarks to OneShotKIll. I know the area where OneShotKill hunts and the problem is not the the fault of him or his family that owns 50 acres. You don't know him or the problems in that area. So, you have no basis for your remarks. The area is famous for poachers. Like anywhere else it may only be a few locals but they ruin it for everyone and give the sport of hunting a bad name. I know a local guy who owns a farm very close to OneShotKill's family. Every year he says he hears shots on several different nights during the weeks before rifle deer season. Before he can get out to the road he sees pickup trucks pulling away and leaving a pool of blood on the dirt road. Almost any decent sized buck running his property is gone before the season.
 
I know the area too. You are right, accusing him is unfounded and I apologize, but I grew up there, I am from Potter County. I know the area near Austin on 872 where he is talking about. I understand it's crowded, you have one or two locals giving you guys shit, poaching deer (if they are farmers they can legally hunt deer by the way out of season, but I am sure this is not the case). I get it. I just don't like that attitude, "we're gonna get a camp and run it right". What the heck does that mean, he's going to shoot anyone that comes on his property? You don't have to listen to me, you guys are more than welcome in Potter County, don't get me wrong. Just leave that piss poor "get off my property" attitude behind, that doesn't make you guys look to hot. Granted it's only a few of you that ruin it for the rest, but that's the confusing part.
 
I know the area too. You are right, accusing him is unfounded and I apologize, but I grew up there, I am from Potter County. I know the area near Austin on 872 where he is talking about. I understand it's crowded, you have one or two locals giving you guys shit, poaching deer (if they are farmers they can legally hunt deer by the way out of season, but I am sure this is not the case). I get it. I just don't like that attitude, "we're gonna get a camp and run it right". What the heck does that mean, he's going to shoot anyone that comes on his property? You don't have to listen to me, you guys are more than welcome in Potter County, don't get me wrong. Just leave that piss poor "get off my property" attitude behind, that doesn't make you guys look to hot. Granted it's only a few of you that ruin it for the rest, but that's the confusing part.
 
Why should anyone leave the "get off my property" attitude behind. I paid to hunt a Potter camp for several years. The owners of the camp are from Phila/South Jersey area. They have owned the camp with over 50 acres for nearly 70 years. They have at times allowed locals who asked permission to hunt the property as long as it did not interfere with their own hunt or the hunt of their paying guests. But they have had incidents with hunters who did not have permission. These POS idiots not only trespassed but then became arrogant and irate when confronted. One guy lied and said he had permission to hunt there. The owner then told him who gave you permission when I own the land and don't know you. The idiot then became very arrogant and said he would not leave. Until the owner told him, in a voice that could be heard for miles, to get off his land or get arrested. People like this were breaking the law and they had the nerve to show an attitude. That is piss poor.

I have never owned any hunting land of my own. But, I would never trespass on another's property. I either get permission or pay to hunt private land or I stay to hunting private land. If I were to own thousands of acres, ten acres or one acre of hunting land I would post every tree, patrol it regularly and prosecute without exception anyone who trespassed. The only "piss poor" attitude belongs to those who feel they are entitled to trespass, poach and ruin the hunting sport for everyone. Trespassing is a crime. Poaching is a crime. And anyone who does or condones either is not only a criminal but also a scumbag.

Since I don't own hunting property I understand how hard it is to find a good spot. I have to hunt most of the time on the overcrowded public areas. But, I deal with it. But, whether it is Potter County, NJ or Wyoming, if you can't deal with it then buy, lease or pay an outfitter to hunt private land. Don't blame those who own private land. They paid for the land and have a right to do as they want. Trespasser have no rights.
 
The best thing we ever did for our Potter camp is to not post it. The immediate locals do the same or put up the odd "ask permission first" signs. The locals allow us to hunt their lands whenever we're up and watch our property like it was their own. In return, they hunt, trap and snow mobile on our land whenever we're not there which is most of the time.

One year we had a hunting party small game hunt across our property from out of the area and one owner's son got angry and posted a few signs up "No Trespassing" that next spring. The very next fall at deer season when we arrived, there were 2 dead bucks lying on our field roads shot and dragged there for an example. We told the then youngster to remove his signs from the previous spring which he did, and we've never had another issue 20 years later.

I believe you show respect and you get respect. But here in NJ, I post the heck out of our private land because nobody has any honor for the most part for private property owners' rights. I guess that's because we're stacked up on top of each other, but that doesn't make it right.
 
I hunted pheasant about 5-6 years ago at the camp I posted about. The owners stocked the birds which everyone on the hunt paid in for. We stocked Friday night. Hunted Saturday and the again Monday. Late Monday morning after we had our 2 birds each we took a ride into Emporium. As we were driving out of the property we saw a car park at the opposite end on a homemade dirt driveway. We drove out that end and got there as an older man with a boy about 14 years old were starting to walk into the field with shotguns and orange vest/hat. One of the owners was driving and asked what they were doing. The man said he had seen pheasants along the road on Sunday and was taking his grandson hunting for them. The owner asked if they knew this was private land. The man said no. He saw the house but thought the fields were part of state game land and state stocked the pheasant. The owner explained that all of the fields behind the house to the treelines on all sides were his property. He told the man that he stocked the birds. He then told them that they could hunt there as long as they were careful about shooting near the house. The man was very appreciative and said that he would make sure to come to the house for permission before entering the property again. This is typical of how the locals are treated by owners there. I did not go the last two seasons but I heard they also have some locals who they let trap coyotes on the property. It is only when idiots come onto the property and then give the owners a load of s--t or show an attitude that they are run off. I would guess that the people who do that are not even locals but people who come to the area just for hunting season and then stretch the boundries from state land onto private property.
 
I know its a old post, but anybody heading up to potter this year. Some good news, the camp I go to in galeton, in state game land area, some select cuts done in 2 yrs, and really open up and created some new growth, put the trial camera out in late summer and have 11 diff bucks, 2 bears, bobcat, some coyotes. Im thrilled because only saw couple of doe, some small buck in the last 3 yrs. Atleast I know they are up there now
 
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