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#21 ·
You got me curious to try my own. I've got light, medium and winter wear from different companies. I'd be interested to see how arctic shield fares from your perspective, cause it sure is warm and lightweight.[smirk]
 
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I have always been a fan of 100% cotton , it stays pretty soft allowing easy movement, its very quiet and has worked well for me the last 32 seasons.
But as with everyone else the improvements in clothing and insulation make it very hard to not try other options, Fleece and wool being at the top of the list.
Recently I have been helping film a bunch of hunts and it seemed to me that even though I was moving more, I rarely got picked out, yet the guys I have been with have continually been getting pegged in low light conditions.
I really believe its because MOST new camo materials have a glow in low light , even after being washed in UV killer multiple times.
I remember when saddle cloth first came out and I walked up to my hunting partner to tell him he looked like a camo light bulb in the tree when the sun came up.

Here is a bunch of different materials in low light in front of my trail cam.
Though this isnt exactly what the deer see, how much break up loss in the pattern , and the glow are they seeing ??????


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WOODLAND CAMO , COTTON TWILL
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ORIG REALTREE COTTON

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WOODLAND DOWN JACKET NYLON SHELL

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CABELAS WOOL

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REALTREE MICROFLEECE

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REALTREE SCENT LOCK SAVANAH POLYESTER

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MOSSY OAK BREAK UP SCENT LOCK DREAM SEASON FLEECE

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REALTREE SADDLECLOTH

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ORANGE WOODLAND COTTON

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ORANGE FLEECE

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REALTREE COTTON, (BUT LOOK AT COLLAR)

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TREEBARK COTTON

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TREEBARK CHAMOIS

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Discussion starter · #24 ·
wondering if anyone else has noticed they get picked out of the tree more often with ALL of the new fleece clothes, than in the past with the OLD standard cotton ???????????


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#26 ·
Cabellas silent weave is what I used this past bow season,great stuff, very comfortable.
Ask the deer if it concealed me enough, their in the freezer in the basement.
As far as the pattern, it really depends on the area and cover you are hunting in, period.
Seculion 3 D works for my spot,so does TreeBark,second outfit choice
 
#28 ·
To be fair Capt. Dan, deer see in the opposite light spectrum. Using an ultra violet light in low light would be the real test. Realize too that different fabrics require different dye or ink in order to get the patterns to be at least close to the original colors.

The IR reflects more white from more fabric in the make up of the fleece and saddle cloth. The orange clothing is most times made of dyed flourescent material which emits light while exposed to light. It shows up heavy no matter what you shine on it.

The white in the patterns today is what needs to be knocked down in the UV spectrum. They show up huge. What color do you see as a deer flees in last light?

Good camo makers know the effects of white and do their best to use material printed to keep it down.
 
#29 ·
I dont think An IR camera shows how a deer see us so I'm not sure how acurate this test could be. I dont care what camo you wear if you move to much the deer will see you. Just dont use laundry soap that has U.V brightners and never wear Blue jeans while deer hunting They say deer can see blue very well it will halo like white or fabric washed with U.V. brightners. I like to wear a fleece top and cabelas silent weave insulated bibs realtree hardwoods pattern.
 
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To be fair Capt. Dan, deer see in the opposite light spectrum. Using an ultra violet light in low light would be the real test. Realize too that different fabrics require different dye or ink in order to get the patterns to be at least close to the original colors.

The IR reflects more white from more fabric in the make up of the fleece and saddle cloth. The orange clothing is most times made of flourescent material which emits light while exposed to light. It shows up heavy no matter what you shine on it.

The white in the patterns todasy is what needs to be knocked down in the UV spectrum. They show up huge. What color do you see as a deer flees in last light?
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First off DO THEY REALLY KNOW WHICH LIGHT A DEER IS SEEING IN ??
for MANY years they said deer could ONLY see in black and white , they now believe that to be TOTALLY wrong as they feel that they dont see all colors but do see in many shades of colors.

Talking to a friend that has a dye shop, is most of todays clothes that really show colors well have polyester in them.
Polyester makes colors we dont have in the natural light spectrum ( thats why certain colors cant be dyed onto cotton.
Im thinkingthat its the reflection caused by the polyester in the fabric of alot of todays new clothes that is giving off the UNNATURAL glow that game is picking off.


When my cams go into black and white mode while there is still plenty of daylight the clothes with polyester in them show the same white glow.But only in lowering light levels does it REALLY start to stand out.

what surprised me though is the savanah suit is 100% polyester yet didnt glow.



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#31 ·
I am a big fan of 100% wool. I think that it is quieter and it keeps its insulating properties better than cotton when wet.

When I say 'quieter' I mean when rubbed against a tree or itself - as often happens when moving to line up for a shot and drawing back.
 
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#33 ·
It don't much matter how many colors they can put in polyester. How many colors do they use in todays fashion show?

The deer still don't see in infra red as the camera does. There are some pretty good papers out there on the subject. I read it as deer seeing shades of yellow and blue better than any other color because of their cone structure and the number of rods in that cone.
 
#35 ·
As another wool lover X7 what do you know about how deer see it and the dyes used on it?

Dan VERY interesting thread had I seen it early on I would have said wool.
 
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Does this post make any sense at all??

Deer dont see in IR so what your camera shows your hunting clothes to look like may not look anything like what a deer or other game animal views it as.

Now if we're talking about staying warm, layering up with 2 or so sets of thermal underwear, under a full body scentlok suit and some sweats has been working for me. Stayed warm from dark to dark on the first day of 6day this year up in Wayway and that was temps in the 20's with 20 mph winds
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
I am just amazed your bushnell camera works!!
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I cant speak for the rest of the Bushnell line, but I have 10 of the trophy cams currently, and they all perform flawlessly.
I get an average of 4000 pics a day from those 10 cams , so I believe they work pretty good


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It don't much matter how many colors they can put in polyester
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Actualy that is where I have to disagree, as we are trying to fit into nature, and the colors they can dye polyester into have no place in our natural color spectrum,

deer see VERY well in low light, yet wearing cotten you can definetly get away with some extra movement, yet its at that same time I am seeing guys get pegged instantly while wearing the new fleece clothes.

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Does this post make any sense at all??

Deer dont see in IR so what your camera shows your hunting clothes to look like may not look anything like what a deer or other game animal views it as.
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I am getting the same type of loss of pattern in normal black and white photos also, NOT JUST IR (READ THE POSTS) I just took the time to take pics of as bunch of different materials at the same time last night.
 
#40 ·
very interesting, however, the infra-red is basically an invisible 'flash' that these cameras make. The posts that mention UV would be more in line I believe. The best test I would think would be to put a UV light to these garments and take photos in dark with UV light being broadcast onto them. Good work, though and very interesting...just wrong type of 'lighting'
 
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