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SCENARIO: "Hunter 1" buys 20 acres of property in good whitetail country which is heavily hunted by local hunters and "public hunters" who hunt 500 acres of Public Land that border "Hunter 1's" northern property line. He and his wife build a home and start a family. "Hunter 1" takes approximately 10 acres of his property and develops it to attract deer to his property. He puts in two acres of lush flood plots in northeast corner of his property; next, due north of his home, he plants five acres of cover, consisting of small low growing trees; and finally in the northwest corner, he plants three acres of crops(corn, soy, etc.) to be rotated annually for variety. He can place ground blinds on his property however, he does not have a tree large enough to accommadte any type of tree stand. "Hunter 1" places a Loc-On style stand across his property line on Public Property.
Hunter "A" hunts only Public Land. He hunts the Public Land north of "Hunter 1's" property. "Hunter A" has hunted the northern property line legally during over the past seasons with a climbing stand. "Hunter A" decides to hunt the southern boundary line of the Public Land along the northern property line of "Hunter 1's" property line, he decides not to use his climber, instead he will use the existing Lock-On stand that is on Public Property that "Hunter 1" has erected. "Hunter A" is on post when "Hunter 1" sees him in the Lock-On stand. The two hunters engage in a conversation. The bottom line is that "Hunter 1" is offended by "Hunter A" using his Lock-On stand and hunting so close to his property line, he believes that any Public Hunter should be at least 150 yards from his boundary line. "Hunter A's" standpoint is that he and the Lock-On stand are on Public Property. Also, that he could have brought his climber in this day and lierally hunted in a tree three feet from "Hunter 1's" existing stand. BOTTOM LINE: "Hunter 1" believes that "Hunter A" is unethical for using a stand that is not his and for hunting so close to "Hunter 1's" food plots. "Hunter A" believes that he has taken a legal shortcut and he is not unethical.
FACTS: 1) It is illegal to build or leave a portable or Lock On style stand on Public Land overnight in this State. 2) In this State any stand on Public Land can be legally occupied by the first person to occupy it, regardless of actual ownership of the stand. 3) There are no hunting setback requirements from property lines.
I would like your opinions and on the legal facts and the ethical issues of this situation. If you need additional information on the circumstances please let me know. I think that this is a very interesting situation. Thank you.
 
I feel like im taking the civil service exam again, except those questions made sense and you could understand what they were asking you in the end.[ko]

Hunter A is an a$$hole. So is hunter "1". end o story[ko]

What are you asking? I dont see a single question mark in any of your BOTTOM LINE: FACTS)1 HUNTER "1"HUNTER "A" Paragraph[ko]


Hunter "A" should be happy there is only hunter "1" and not hunter "1"2"3"ETC. Setting up on PUBLIC land close to his food plot. You catch more flies with honey.
 
its the FOREVER debatable public land..first come first serve, nobody has any right but me scenario, its been played out here forever and alot of different opinions..it would be easier to give up hunting and put together puzzles blindfolded than it would to debate this thread...actually they should have a 'no holds barred fight to the death" over who gets to hunt that stand, it would make for more entertaining reading
 
The Civil Service exam was easier! So was the psych evaluation! I personally would never hunt out of a stand that wasn't mine for many different reasons. Ethics, safety, and others to name a few. For the hunter that decided to plant food plots next to state land, I understand that the property is his but he is almost asking for problems. The whole scenario to me is a double edged sword. You should never hunt out of someone else's stand but if the law allows it, there will ALWAYS be someone to do it.
 
I feel like im taking the civil service exam again, except those questions made sense and you could understand what they were asking you in the end.

Hunter A is an a$$hole. So is hunter "1". end o story

What are you asking? I dont see a single question mark in any of your BOTTOM LINE: FACTS)1 HUNTER "1"HUNTER "A" Paragraph

HAha that was exactly my thoughts too
 
hunter 'b' comes along..kicks them BOTH in the nads, climbs up the tree..and waffles their target buck whilst they both writher in furious pain on the ground
 
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Well, I'm really interested in the ethics end of things mostly. I know what the law is. I hunt to much to hunt outside of it. There were a few reasons that I decided to hunt that stand that night; 1) there are two big tens and a big nine that are still running up there, I was within 80 yards of one the tens the other night when it was down around zero, I was frozen stiff when I could finally break. I believe that ten knew I was in the area even though I tried to let him clear. I adjusted and set up on him the next couple of nights: no sightings,so 1) that stand is 25
+ feet in the air, it has the commanding views, 2) climbers can be pretty dangerous in those freezing and snowy conditions for a few reasons
, 3) if they going to move before dark, they were going to be headed for food. Anyway, me and "Hunter 1" ironed it out. He DIDN'T know the law and was basing his perspective completely on his ethics, which are damn good ones, however I don't believe that they are properly applied, not that they are wrong, just not properly applied. It's good to see that some of you can think even after all these years of taking a Civil service exam! LOL! Really, thanks for all of the feedback: Keep It Coming!
 
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I posted this down In"Wildlife Management" also. I'm surprised that I haven't received a comment in that blog. I thought for that those folks would have had some opinions. Thanks again for yours!
 
Here's another question to ponder, an 8 pt. buck leaves High Point traveling south at 8 mph and a button buck leaves Cape May heading north at 7 mph. At what point in the state will the bucks meet?
Answer- Nowhere, it's NJ, they'll be dead before they leave their own counties.
 
There are no hunting setback requirements from property lines.
I think this would be a great idea and probably limit the amount of deer that are shot and fall on private land.

Who knows, but, I would vote in favor of a law like that !! [up][up][up][up][up][up]
 
Only an A-hole would use someone else's stand, no matter where it is. If everyone wants to "claim a tree" that is theirs... tie a ribbon or a string with a tag on it or reflective tacks, since you cant nail a tag to it on most public lands.
But then most of wont due to fears of sabotage by other hunters or antis, or "getting cut off"...how can you claim they deliberately cut you off when your spot isnt obvious?

Same with bait stations, tie ribbons on a perimeter like 50 yds around or something. This way anyone who encroaches is the jerk. I have had so many of my spots hijacked by guys who dont spend the time, and when they see someone hunts there they slide right in. Then it becomes a game of who gets there earlier.

I have caught guys in my duckblind that I built and were like "...oh we didnt think it belonged to anyone..." WTF?!?! like it GREW there on its own?

I guess its like an issue of squatter's rights? It doesnt matter if someone owns a ranch in Texas, they can hunt the public land as well, not just their property.

Hunting property lines is silly, by law you cant go onto the property if the game you shoot runs in and falls without permission anyways. So I guess you can only shoot an animal that is exiting the property? how many guys do you know that would actually do that (not just say they would)?

Nothing in the OP seemed illegal, but sitting in someone else's stand equipment is un-ethical and a scumbag move. If it's "in your spot" on public land, oh well T-S, you should made it better known that spot was used by you.
 
Hunter 1 shouldn't be too upset, after all, he knew he was planting a food plot next to public land.

Hunter A should not be using someone elses stand in my opinion, bring your own.

Your "FACT: 1)" is not fact at all. It is not illegal to leave a portable stand overnight on public lands in NJ. Maybe some specific park rules, but not for all public land, so be careful with that one.
 
Oh yeah... I bitch about this too; "...I have been hunting here for years...etc." and someone new jumps the spot or says you did it to them, what is the size threshold for these claims? Some guys think the whole area horizon to horizon is "theirs".
 
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Fact 1) IS correct this did not happen in NJ(sorry, that may not have been clear when I said,"this State". This incident happened in the mid West.
Anyway, it is a shame that issues can't be discussed like adults. All of you "supremely ethical" hunters can't understand why the anti's call us names: comments like that deed their fires, let's step it up a notch. Any legitimate point may be trying to express gets undermined by your simplistic ad homonym attacks on any responder or poster on blog. To bad.
 
Sorry :D Seriously though. You hear it said all the time on here. "Its public land". And it is true.On public land anyone can hunt were ever they want. If you leave a stand on public land you risk losing it or someone using it. But really common sense and common courtesy should prevail. Especially in areas with allot of room. If I come across another guys spot I move on. Thats the way I feel about that. But also on the other hand I have seen situations with one putting up multiple loc-on stands and then expecting people to stay away from all of them. Now thats wrong.
As far as hunter A being on the property line. There is nothing hunter 1 can do and he is out of line being offended hunter A is so close to his property line. Just because he has put food plots out to attract the deer from the public land doesn't mean he can stop other hunters from taking advantage of it. I ran into a similar problem once when someone brought property surrounded by public land and starting to encroach on it and try to discourage people from hunting. Fish and Game took care of him.
 
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