On January 3, 2010, CO Petruccelli boarded the FV Catherine Lane at Cold Spring Fish and Supply in Cape May. The FV Catherine Lane had been at the dock since January 1, 2010 awaiting the opening of New Jersey’s 2010 summer flounder quota which didn’t allow landing until 0001hrs on January 3rd. Because the vessel had requested and was granted an emergency landing prior to the fluke season opening, they were under orders to wait for approval prior to their offload. During the supervised offload, CO Petrruccelli documented 5,380lbs of summer flounder from this vessel, 380lbs over the trip limit of 5,00lbs. CO Petruccelli seized the overage and issued the appropriate summonses to the vessel’s captain and owner.
You wonder what happens to the fluke
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Fluke move offshore during the winter months to spawn on the continental shelf, the young come to shore after they hatch.
Smitty, I thought you knew your facts. I know a few commercial fishermen, and this is a well known fact even to them. They tell me how easy the pickens are, when the nets (get away from you) for a little bit and you end up with a whole load of giant fluke, by mistake. they bring back the by catch fluke and all are full of eggs.
Smitty, the season is a full 2 weeks?, but when are you allowed to have bycatch and how much bycatch per trip? Is it 250 pounds per trip? Are you allowed by-catch all year?
Smitty, I thought you knew your facts. I know a few commercial fishermen, and this is a well known fact even to them. They tell me how easy the pickens are, when the nets (get away from you) for a little bit and you end up with a whole load of giant fluke, by mistake. they bring back the by catch fluke and all are full of eggs.
Smitty, the season is a full 2 weeks?, but when are you allowed to have bycatch and how much bycatch per trip? Is it 250 pounds per trip? Are you allowed by-catch all year?
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Commercial guys get no sympathy from me when you can keep 14 inch fluke while I spend a small fortune every weekend trying to put some keepers in the cooler...380 pounds of overage...at an average of 2 pounds per fish (14 inch) that is 190+ fish. Yeah, I'm sure it was a mistake in weighing while operating in a gale...at the Flemish Cap [eyeroll]
Hang that pirate out to dry!
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I longlined for a season on the Midnight Sun. The owner of the boat was on the tv show Swords. (The heavy set gentleman on the lady captains boat without mentioning names). We did not fin sharks. Not because we thought it was wrong but because there was no money in it. You need to dry fins for market to get good money for them and unless you are setup for this there is just no room for it. Almost every sword comes up dead on the line. So short fish are tossed back dead. The boats in the show swords were small boats with short lines. So that is why they had some live fish. A true longliner sets over 50 miles of line and except for shark most fish are dead on the line. Anything that will eat a squid will be caught. I fished from Peurto Rico to Trinidad and can't comment on the Grand Banks. But I am sure it was the same. A commercial fishermans life is hard and tuff believe me. That is why I only fished one season lol. They follow all the regulations but there will always be the few that try to get away with things. They get caught. And you read about it. But do not brand everyone of them on the actions of a few.
The comm and rec fisherman need to unite. I know it is like trying to pair democrates and republicans lol, but it is the only way to solve the problems with fisheries today.
The comm and rec fisherman need to unite. I know it is like trying to pair democrates and republicans lol, but it is the only way to solve the problems with fisheries today.
ok wise ass let me ask you whats the differance in working in a gale in the flemish cap or the hudson canyon... i will be leaveing sundaynite for a trip i would love to have any of yoo no it alls on deck brakeing ice for for a few days what do you say maxi pad wanna make a tirp
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So everytime there's a little wind, guys can't weigh their catch properly? Maybe when there's wind they shouldn't be allowed to fish, since they can't do the job properly.
In your opinion, what should be done with overages? Should we just let all commercial fishermen have overages all the time? Why have any rules at all? Sounds like you're just out there to take as much as you can, and have that who cares we're right attitude, even when the rules are clearly broken. This is the attitude that is ruining fishery's. Rules are there to protect our fish and wildlife. OUR FISH AND WILDLIFE.
In your opinion, what should be done with overages? Should we just let all commercial fishermen have overages all the time? Why have any rules at all? Sounds like you're just out there to take as much as you can, and have that who cares we're right attitude, even when the rules are clearly broken. This is the attitude that is ruining fishery's. Rules are there to protect our fish and wildlife. OUR FISH AND WILDLIFE.
no they don thave overs all the time but it happens those fish where sold and the money went to the state.. it was not like the guy was trying to steel something and the co's where aware of it.. what im getting at here we cant get away with nothing the pirate day are long over with... we have tracking divises on the boat so the feds alway no where we are we have to call the stae before we come to the dock so that thay cane have someonethere wealso must carry an observer from the nmfs on request wich is all the time it seems anymore
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It's obvious some cant get away with it, but they still try, don't they? And this is exactly what went on here, and you're sticking up for it.
And more than you know, do actually get away with it, thats why you don't know about it. The time you find out about it, is the time they got caught. IMO they should lose fishing priviledges or get some kind of probation of fishing priviledges. Most times the fines don't outweigh the risks. Quadruple the market price of the fish they try to poach and make that the fines along with probation. Make the risk not worth it. I bet they'd take their time weighing the catch.
And more than you know, do actually get away with it, thats why you don't know about it. The time you find out about it, is the time they got caught. IMO they should lose fishing priviledges or get some kind of probation of fishing priviledges. Most times the fines don't outweigh the risks. Quadruple the market price of the fish they try to poach and make that the fines along with probation. Make the risk not worth it. I bet they'd take their time weighing the catch.
well it really shows here you know nothing we all hold fedrals permits and our fines are on a fedral leval not state and trust me they out weigh every thing this guy made a mistakeand the co's where aware of it thats why he was not hung like you would of wanted how many violation get handed out tothe sports compared to the commercial guys [eek] maybe thats where all my fish are going .. seeems ther are a lot more sports brakeing the law[down]
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Well, you seem to have a double standard and it shows, all we can do is agree to disagree.
Just so you know, every rec fisher who breaks the law, I feel the same way, fine them out the ass and revoke priviledges. I do not have a double standard.
A law breaker is a law breaker no matter which way you slice it.
Just so you know, every rec fisher who breaks the law, I feel the same way, fine them out the ass and revoke priviledges. I do not have a double standard.
A law breaker is a law breaker no matter which way you slice it.
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Hey Smitty, whats with the name calling? I expressed my opinion on the inequities of the fluke regs and you want to stoop to name calling.
Take your Popeye'd bunker smelling illiterate raping the ocean commercial fishing ass back to the moss covered rock you crawled out from.
Good luck at the Flemish Cap [patcheye]
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all i know is that it is pretty hard to weigh that many fish on a boat in the ocean.i would think a warning would have been enough. second time fine the boat.when your talking 5000 lbs of fish thats a heck of alot of weighing. mike
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*******, their jobs are to weigh the fish. If they cant handle it, time for a new line of work.
Not sure what you do for a living, but my guess is that you're expected to not make mistakes.
Not sure what you do for a living, but my guess is that you're expected to not make mistakes.
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i have 11 presses to setup maintain to make production quanities and yes we do make mistakes.. mostly overun a table every now and then. people forget to oil a coil and try to expand it . crashes the expander and i spend the next 3 or 4 hours cutting rods out and replacing the parts.[wallmad][wallmad]shit happens. no ones perfect, just wish people would stop texting while their running the machinery. sucks.mike
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Equipment beaking is one thing, but making sure the output and quantity is correct is another thing all together.
I'm sure you have some kind of quota you need to produce. Produce more or less, and cost the company money, I'm sure there would be hell to pay. Yes people make mistakes, but a quota is a quota. trust me, I know some commercial fishermen. Smitty make you think its hard to weight the fish, because skewing information helps him get his point accross.
I'm sure you have some kind of quota you need to produce. Produce more or less, and cost the company money, I'm sure there would be hell to pay. Yes people make mistakes, but a quota is a quota. trust me, I know some commercial fishermen. Smitty make you think its hard to weight the fish, because skewing information helps him get his point accross.
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