How fast till this program spreads to other areas in our state?
Eight days to go.
It's only going to get worse.
Is this what sportsmen and firearm owners in New Jersey want continued for the next four years?
Turn In Your Neighbor for $1000.00
Stronski
How fast till this program spreads to other areas in our state?
Eight days to go.
It's only going to get worse.
Is this what sportsmen and firearm owners in New Jersey want continued for the next four years?
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You guys are making this way too complicated . . .You know what they say about making a quick buck . . . .
Also, it's a crappy idea!
Also, it's a crappy idea!
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I understand that. Thats why I'm super careful with the way I handle myself with firearms in this state. Thats why I have all the proper paperwork and follow all the laws. If they came to my house and asked me to see proper documentation, I would go to my filing cabinent and get it, present it to them and then what are they going to do? If you do everything you're supposed to this is a very small inconvenience for you. Unlike the one handgun-a-month nonsense.
I dont think that any of this bullshit is necessary. I know gun laws are way to strict and out of control in this state. At the same time however, I'm aware of where I live and the way people and law enforcement act about guns in this screwed up state so I act accordingly. I know it sucks but I want/have to live here for now so I have to deal with it. If you or myself dont like it, we can leave and move somewhere that is more pro gun where they dont have to deal with this crap.
Like I said, do I agree with the states views on guns.....no. But if we want to keep what little rights we have left lets not be careless.
Ill try to answer most of your questions.
1. Enforce the laws on the books.
Nobody added a new law in Newark, In just a means to catch criminals/gang members with guns they do not have the right to possess.
2. What is an illegal gun?
Complicated answer, A Gun which was not legally registered in New Jersey. A Gun which is possessed by an Individual who does not have A carry permit ,and or pistol purchase permit.
3. Terry frisk?
There are a lot of different elements. The area, whether Gang/drug area, what type of complaint(gun job /Drug Job, Robbery in the area, Murder in the area,looking for suspect, what type of behavior the individual in front of you demonstrating, all types of stuff). An officer does not need much to conduct a terry frisk, specially in Newark. (Thank God)
4. House/car?
You need a warrant , or probable and exigent circumstances, or consent. There is a lot of other stuff that apply to both, just to complicated to get into to.
First the problem with this state is that its run by morons. A good percentage of guns recovered in New Jersey were not bought here. There bought in the South were somebody can walk into a gas station and pick up 20 Jenkins shits guns for 40 bucks each, there called straw Purchasers. This is where the problem lies. Claim them stolen two weeks later and some how they end up here.
Second this program was not designed for law abiding citizens who legally possess a firearm. This is intended for the criminal element, who has no right to have a gun.
If you aint a criminal Don't worry about it.
1. Enforce the laws on the books.
Nobody added a new law in Newark, In just a means to catch criminals/gang members with guns they do not have the right to possess.
2. What is an illegal gun?
Complicated answer, A Gun which was not legally registered in New Jersey. A Gun which is possessed by an Individual who does not have A carry permit ,and or pistol purchase permit.
3. Terry frisk?
There are a lot of different elements. The area, whether Gang/drug area, what type of complaint(gun job /Drug Job, Robbery in the area, Murder in the area,looking for suspect, what type of behavior the individual in front of you demonstrating, all types of stuff). An officer does not need much to conduct a terry frisk, specially in Newark. (Thank God)
4. House/car?
You need a warrant , or probable and exigent circumstances, or consent. There is a lot of other stuff that apply to both, just to complicated to get into to.
First the problem with this state is that its run by morons. A good percentage of guns recovered in New Jersey were not bought here. There bought in the South were somebody can walk into a gas station and pick up 20 Jenkins shits guns for 40 bucks each, there called straw Purchasers. This is where the problem lies. Claim them stolen two weeks later and some how they end up here.
Second this program was not designed for law abiding citizens who legally possess a firearm. This is intended for the criminal element, who has no right to have a gun.
If you aint a criminal Don't worry about it.
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There is so much ignorance.
What paperwork are you getting from you filing cabinet?
You do not get a carry permit in NJ for long guns.
No knock warrant, with nothing listed, this type of approval was issued in the 90's.
They are putting the burden of proof on the people of the state, not the state filing the charges.
Criminals do not care about the law period.
People sit back and cry about the laws being changed in the state without banding together and standing up for their gun rights!
The negative light of guns especially in the school system is terrible. Some are teaching that guns are bad as opposed to behavior.
Why is it educate on everything but guns?
Because of the ignorance pushed by ignorant politicians, parents and communities. They use the media to push their ignorant agenda.
NO LEGAL GUN OWNER WANTS A CRIMINAL TO OWN A GUN. BUT WE DAMN SURE DO NOT WANT TO FACE AN ARMED CRIMINAL UNARMED!
Think! If the system were that great an honest how do criminals get drugs etc in jail. That is a place where the laws are monitored 24 hours a day!!! So how does that happen?
What paperwork are you getting from you filing cabinet?
You do not get a carry permit in NJ for long guns.
No knock warrant, with nothing listed, this type of approval was issued in the 90's.
They are putting the burden of proof on the people of the state, not the state filing the charges.
Criminals do not care about the law period.
People sit back and cry about the laws being changed in the state without banding together and standing up for their gun rights!
The negative light of guns especially in the school system is terrible. Some are teaching that guns are bad as opposed to behavior.
Why is it educate on everything but guns?
Because of the ignorance pushed by ignorant politicians, parents and communities. They use the media to push their ignorant agenda.
NO LEGAL GUN OWNER WANTS A CRIMINAL TO OWN A GUN. BUT WE DAMN SURE DO NOT WANT TO FACE AN ARMED CRIMINAL UNARMED!
Think! If the system were that great an honest how do criminals get drugs etc in jail. That is a place where the laws are monitored 24 hours a day!!! So how does that happen?
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I think the reason they are doing it is to try to get through the "no snitchin" rule. And I stand by the logic that at least they are looking at ILLEGAL weapons whether it is by physical charateristics and capabilities, possesion or ownership paperwork it doesn't matter. If the gun is legally owned, no problem.
Their alternative logic is ban all gun sales and ownership.
Personally, I favor long jail sentences with no parole for crimes committed with guns. And the death sentence for murder.
Their alternative logic is ban all gun sales and ownership.
Personally, I favor long jail sentences with no parole for crimes committed with guns. And the death sentence for murder.
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I work in Newark. I'm diming out my boss.
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Bull! Lets say your an older citizen of this wonderful state, late 50's early 60's. You have some of your Dads, Grandfathers, Uncles, etc guns they left to you, or some other outdoor items.
You have an anti gun neighbor, who has seen you carrying weapons in and out of the house. They call the police, and an overzealous cop (gee there ain none of them are there) shows up. He finds leg hold traps (your grandfathers)which I think leg holds are barred from ownership, guns without serial numbers. Prior to the early 60's guns were not required to have serial numbers, and alot of the low end manufacturers didn't use them. You have guns that you don't have a bill of sale on or were not issued thru a will. What a nitemare, newspaper headlines LOCAL MAN ARRESTED FOR UNLAWFUL FIREARMS. ROOKIE COP RECEICES AWARD. All your weapons are confiscated, thrown in the back of a pickup truck (we know how well the state treats guns) to be checked. Neighbor doesn't receive $1000 reward, but your out tens of thousands in legal fees. Your name is drug thru the mud, you have to clear your name.
You say this is only in Newark? Just wait! You want illegal guns off the street, the list grows daily as to what constitutes an illegal gun. How bout we take the criminal off the street, I would rather my tax dollars go to keeping a thug in prison, than paying one thug to turn in another.
Thats just my opinion.
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Show me this gas station.... Sorry, it doesn't exist, although the media would like you to believe it does.
The vast majority of guns used in crimes are stolen. Many are stolen locally.
Thats right, after they are bought by straw purchasers down south and reported stolen.NOT stolen locally..very rare in my experience. Ive been a Naroctics detective for over 9 years and have taken more guns off the streets than most entire police Departments during that time and thats no BS.
Yes maybe not a gas station( exaggeration). but you can walk into a gun store and by these Jenning and brycos for 40 bucks each. Thats fact.
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Really, and how exactly would you know?? You ASSUME that if the gun doesn't come up in a NJ database (only legally NJ purchased handguns would) then it must be from someone "down south".
Any guns bought from a gunstore ANYWHERE in the US must go through the same background check as NJ does for gun purchases.
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Who do you think is paying for this? Newark is broke! I guess that it's the STIMULUS MONEY.
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Sounds like Nazi Germany or the USSR. I am afraid that is where we are heading.
Anytime a gun is recovered, its entered into teletype (NCIC/SCIC) an STATE & NATIONAL DATABASE. I don't assume anything, in my experience the guns are coming from southern states. All stolen guns in any state are put into this system. The same system that used for just about everything from stolen cars to Missing persons.
If you don't see a problem with somebody going into a gun store and buying 20 to 30 garbage handguns at one time, then I cant have this discussion with you.
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I would like to know when they are having one of those "turn in your gun and recieve $100" deals. I have a couple of old guns that are broken and worthless I would like to take advantage of that[hihi]
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So explain to me EXACTLY how they can tell where the gun was purchased from. How do you know they originated in a "southern state"? This database, as you explain it, only tells you where the gun was recovered, not where it was originally purchased. That is unless the guns somehow got back into circulation.....
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As I'm sure you know, ALL multiple gun purchased are flagged by NICS. The SAME NICS that NJ uses. What would be the advantage of buying a gun (or multiple) from one of these "gas station/gun stores" you speak of???
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Swiper, just for your education, and to prevent future false arrests of innocent gun owners, you can legally own a gun in NJ without having a pistol purchase permit or a carry permit or being "registered".
And you wonder why it's not a bad thing to send police officers into houses on a random anomomyous tips....
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