Heres some pics of a bear my buddy Jay shot, He was still hunting on water shed property, Shot him at 25 yards head on, ran 30 yards piled up in a stream. It took about 2.5 hours to get him out of the woods. He dressed at 410 lbs, The state said he was around 500 lbs live weight, he was 14 years old, Was tagged off of Canistear rd, back in 2003. After we skinned him out he squared 8' 07"