vrowning 10 ga i will email you thanks.Bacs and nightstalker911 thanks for the links.they are the grey ones that i am looking for my two sons will be hunting with me this season and I need steps for them since I'm already set up with system I need about 25. Thanks for all your help.
I only use 4 per tree. Above that I use regular screw ins. Usually if you take out the 1st 4 steps, all but the most devoted stand snatchers, give up. I just hide the 4 steps somewhere near the tree. Nothing more agrivating than getting to your tree and remembering the steps are at home [sad][sad]
But since I'm hanging 12+ stands this year, I'll need a few more.