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"In a civilized and cultivated country, wild animals only continue to exist at all when preserved by sportsman. The excellent people who protest against all hunting and consider sportsman as enemies of wildlife are ignorant of the fact that in reality the genuine sportsman is, by all odds, the most important factor in keeping the larger and more valuable wild creatures from total extermination."

"No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it."

"The very pathetic myth of 'beneficent nature' could not deceive even the least wise being if he once saw for himself the iron cruelty of life in the tropics."

"Bully!"
 

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pla....this is 2005 in case you didn't notice...things have long since changed...hunting money hardly goes to anything now. Don't believe me...go back and read Aun's article in the Star-Ledger.
 

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pla....this is 2005 in case you didn't notice...things have long since changed...hunting money hardly goes to anything now. Don't believe me...go back and read Aun's article in the Star-Ledger.
well in case YOU havent noticed, nobody cares what you say...do you think you are gonna change our minds with all your fake facts...just give up...nobody's listening anymore...
 

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T.R. was very wise[up]
 

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It's the old "your livin in the past argument".

yawn....

Remeber folks: a person who claims they are "educated" is no better than a person who is continuously educating himself. Such as the example of TR.

Animals don't have rights. People have responsibilities.

pla....this is 2005 in case you didn't notice...things have long since changed...hunting money hardly goes to anything now. Don't believe me...go back and read Aun's article in the Star-Ledger.
Pittman/Robertson Act

What has changed:

1 -More hunters since TR made these observations.
2 -More deer, pheasant, grouse, bear, woodcock... more wildlife.
3 -More places to hunt (thanks to TR).
4 -A wacky movement based on zero science and Disney-fied views of the animal kingdom has tried to foist its cockamamie view of faux morality on the rest of society. The cause dujour, Animal "Rights" has run its string of limited logic an seeks effacacy through terrorising children. An obvious sign that the 'sun is setting' on this brand of lunacy.

Yep - things have changed, for the better. NJ just needs to catch up to the rest of the country.
 

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hahaha but I am the one providing distorted facts? Nice!
yes.

Thank you for you exemplary conduct.

Animals don't have rights. People have responsibilities.
 

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pla....this is 2005 in case you didn't notice...things have long since changed...hunting money hardly goes to anything now.
Are you kidding? EVERY penny from H&A dollars goes to benefit wildlife and habitat in some way.

ZERO pennies from the BEAR Group go to anything wildlife related. Pathetic.
 

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in MN and CA amongst others. Also there are states with rising complaints despite hunting.
Show me the proof, Our are you forgetting that there is also a rise in homes being build in bear country? So if there is more people then there will be more bears/people incounters...

No matter what you can't stop someone with MONEY from building a house in bear country.....
 

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it is education that works
True, But hunting help the problem with to many bears.

New Jersey & Ohio did a 2 year study on using birth control on deer. Last month the studies showed that doesn't work, there was a 99% birth rate in the DOE's that where giving the injections.


Giving everyone bear proof trash cans, will help keep the bears out of the garbag, But what about keeping the bears out of the houses, or away from schools, play grounds the list goes on..

Not by education alone, but with the needed help from hunters like most of US on here.
 

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NBK you site MN and CA as states where there is hunting, but no decrease in bear complaints. How long have they been hunting bears in those states? What is the number of complaints? What is the percent increase? Are the seasons long enough to reach the game quotas set forth by F&G? Just posting that there has been a rise in bear incidents in these states (which again, I would like to see actual numbers and a reference) means nothing, NJ is a different place. We have the highest density of bears per square mile than any other state. Couple that with our ever increasing sprall and we have problems. No scare tactics here. Why doesn't the bear group protest developers with as much vigor as they do hunters? We would be working together then for a change.

-dan
 
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