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I sent an email regarding the deer herd being wiped out at assunpink and the concluion that stopping driving may help the greater hunting population rather then the few clubs. The reply I got that I will try and follow.



We have received several messages concerning deer drives. I suggest you make a
formal comment about it on the next Game Code and attend the public hearing and
speak out. Watch our homepage for information this spring. PT

Paul Tarlowe, Wildlife Education Specialist
[email protected]
The N.J. Division of Fish and Wildlife is a professional, environmental agency
dedicated to the protection, management and wise use of the state's fish and
wildlife resources.
http://www.NJFishandWildlife.com
 

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Translation:

Hi, quit sending me emails like this and wasting my time. Instead, come voice your opinion during the game code hearing where you will have zero weight by your lonesome and are therefore wasting your time instead of mine. k thx, good luck hunting
 

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Actually it was exactly the correct answer. We have a Fish and Game Council that sets the game code. They need to hear your comments.

You should attend your county Federation meetings and have them put in a formal request. If you don't want to do that you can write your own comment and send it in for consideration.
 

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bloodtrails:

Sorry, I was being facetious. I know every voice needs to be heard and every one counts. The game code hearing is the appropriate forum to issue changes you'd like to see made, but it seems like there is alot of catering to 6 day firearm season and that is where the "weight" is. I think it would be incredibly interesting to see the gun clubs (as groups) react to a request to stop driving. Talk about fireworks. Will be very interesting and difficult to get passed given the "weight" of 6 day firearm hunters, gun clubs, etc.
 

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Wow BowhunterNJ, you are totally right, what the hell would they care what I have to say compared to all the clubs that only hunt by driving the deer. F Assunpink I need to find a private spot to hunt.
 

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I agree, that was the correct answer you got. Let me tell you, join the State Federation of Sportsmen and go to your county meetings. I am an individual member and have been attending for the last few years. Morris county meets 1st Tuesday of the month and Richard Culp from the Fish & Game Council is there as well as representative Fish and Game Law Enforcement. We discuss many of the current issues of what's going on in the state regarding hunting and fishing. This past meeting Dick opened up the floor for suggestions to the next game code. He actually wrote down a number of them and will be taking them back to the January council meeting. I highly suggest that anyone who hunts in this state to get involved and go to these meetings. This is where a good majority of the changes and additions to the game laws originate, as well as recommended appointments to the Fish and Game Council. So this is where your suggestions could be heard and discussed.
 

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Are you aware it may apear that the F&G might want every deer downed? If not why are they so gready with allowing unlimted does in some areas. The killers in the state shoot the deer but many people go with out there deer. Try to hunt the best areas with deer and sucess will increase. Try to figure out there deer drives and capitalize off them. A lot a times the deer will sneak back though them you could follow on the edges of the clubs and maybe get a shot. Just a couple suggestions.
 

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If you present it at a game code hearing it will only be considered for the following year. Get your comments in writing in by 12/31 of this year.

BTW, you regulate game take by bag limits, not season length of hunting method.
 

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Incidently its a good suggestion to go to the federation meetings because theres a lot of info to find out about whats going on. Other hunting spots and areas can be obtained through networking at those meetings as well. Good bunch of guys at the Hunterdon Co. group.
 
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reason for the decline in the herd is this: the unlimited antlerless harvest allowed by the state for the last few years, NJFG&W was forced to do this cause of the insurance companies, we all know insurance is big $$$$$$ in this state. Think about this, when the deer numbers where high insurance companies started to pull out of NJ, now you have them coming back, why? cause the deer numbers are down, which in return means less deer/car conflicts. It's all a $$$$$ thing, but some here will still say we need to lower the number down, well your 1/2 correct, it's on lands we can't hunt where the deer numbers are high, and it's on lands we CAN hunt where the deer numbers are low. If you remember the days back in the 80's & 90's, we had deer everywhere, today we don't, just look at the numbers for opening day of shotgun....wake up guys, stop taking so many antlerless deer.
 

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Are you aware it may apear that the F&G might want every deer downed?
If this were the case, they wouldnt sell many licenses or permits would they?

Think about this, when the deer numbers where high insurance companies started to pull out of NJ, now you have them coming back, why? cause the deer numbers are down,
This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. I seriously doubt that insurance companies had some sort of back door deal with fish and game that they would provide coverage again if deer numbers fell. Insurance companies left the state because everyone is sue happy and the state is one, if not the most densely populated in the country. The most likely reason insurers are coming back (if they even are, I really dont know) is the lawsuits are calming down or there is enough demand that they can get away with charging enough premiums to cover the potential loss.

That being said, I agree that Antlerless take is out of control and needs to be slowed down. I agree that drives on public land should be curbed if not eliminated. And, the response to your letter, albeit probably the correct response, is a cookie cutter answer to all complaints they recieve. I sent in suggestions years ago when I still live in NJ and got the same response, word for word.
 

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join the State Federation of Sportsmen and go to your county meetings
It is because of this group that all the laws favor the gun hunters. If you think that going to them and asking them to suggest to the F&G council to put a halt to driving deer then you are dreaming. However go and ask them to suggest something against bowhunting and they will put it at the top of their list.
 

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It is because of this group that all the laws favor the gun hunters. If you think that going to them and asking them to suggest to the F&G council to put a halt to driving deer then you are dreaming. However go and ask them to suggest something against bowhunting and they will put it at the top of their list.
"This group" is made up of sportsman's groups and individuals. There is no rule saying that archery groups or individuals cannot join or attend meetings. If the "laws favor gun hunters" it is because they are who showed up at the meetings.

By the way, they are fully supporting and pushing the Sunday BOWHUNTING bills.
 

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By the way, they are fully supporting and pushing the Sunday BOWHUNTING bills.
And they should condidering the UBNJ backed them 100% for the bear hunt. I would say that that's a fair trade off.
 

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Bloddtrails - Well said and agree...

Dbuck - Agree with your last post, not first post. I also belong to UBNJ as well as an individual member of NJSFSC. Since I have been attending these meetings, the discussions have been primarily to promote regulations that benefit all hunting, gun and bow, see to see that the laws keep a stabilzed deer herd in this state so that you and I could continue to hunt and enjoy this sport in future years. Just my opinion.
 

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At your next meeting be sure to thank them for the early doe days,the early blackpowder season and for being able to hunt until the middle of February,thus cutting into and taking the rut away from bowhunters and for ruining winter bow.
 

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DBuck, I don't understand your comment. The permit bow season is during the prime rut. As far as ruining winter bow, how do you come to this conclusion. The state has given us every opportunity with various weapons to harvest quite a few deer. As for muzzleloader it's a growing trend in this sport.
 
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well this unlimited antlerless crap, and late gun hunting all the way to febuary should be stopped, to much stress on the herd
 

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Several years ago when the clubs in my area were complaining about deer numbers dropping, I suggested we prohibit drives on state lands for permit shotgun, they about hung me. Remember, the last word in the name of the Federation is CLUBS. For the most part, very good people, but they look out for the interest of gun clubs the same way the United BOW hunters of NJ looks out for bow hunting interests. Suggesting halting drives at a Federation meeting may get you hurt, kicked out at the very least. Realistically, as long as gun hunters dominate the hunter representation on the Council, long gun seasons, unlimited tags, and massive drives will be the way of hunting in NJ. We've been lucky to keep guns out of most of November as it is, an that may not last forever.

Bloodtrails, I respect your effort to get more people to join, but you know as well as I do that suggestions of limiting or prohibiting drives will meet with quite a bit of hostility at Federation meetings.

I'm not trying to bash gun hunters or the Federation, they are just doing their job, and their job is to make things as good as they can for the gun clubs of NJ...that is the name of their organization after all, should you expect anything different?
 
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