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FBI engineered the "attack" then congrats all around for stopping it...left on thier own these guys were low level petty criminals.


Profiles of New York City terrorism suspects
The Associated Press
Four men living in Newburgh, N.Y., are accused of plotting to bomb Jewish sites in New York City and shoot down a military airplane in the Hudson Valley north of the city. They are:

NAME: James Cromitie

Aliases: Abdul Rahman, Abdul Rehman, David Anderson

Age: 55

Residence: Newburgh

Background: Convicted in 1987 of misdemeanor drug possession; 12 later arrests for drug offenses that led to three felony convictions in 1989, 1990 and 1992, according to parole department spokeswoman Heather Groll.

He served prison time under three names: his own, the variation James Crometie and the alias "David Anderson." His most recent arrest was for selling drugs to an undercover officer near a New York City school.

Daphne Moore, a spokeswoman for Wal-Mart, confirmed that Cromitie worked at the Wal-Mart in Newburgh until three months ago.

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NAME: David Williams

Aliases: Daoud, DL

Age: 28

Residence: Newburgh

Background: Williams' aunt, Aahkiyaah Cummings, said he was a good father to his 7-year-old daughter and newborn son. He was introduced to Islam in prison but never talked about his faith, she said. He grew up in Brooklyn's Williamsburg section.

He was released from prison in April 2005 after doing just less than a year on minor drug and weapons charges. He violated parole in August 2005 and went back to prison until December that year, when he was released on parole in Brooklyn.

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NAME: Onta Williams

Alias: Hamza

Age: 32

Residence: Newburgh

Background: Williams served about three months in state prison on drug charges in Orange County. He was released to federal custody in August 2003, convicted of federal drug charges and sentenced to 70 months in federal prison. It is unclear when he was released.

His uncle, Richard Williams, said Onta is separated from his wife and she has custody of his three children, ages 6 to 15. He lived with his uncle until February, then moved in with his girlfriend.

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NAME: Laguerre Payen

Aliases: Almondo, Amin

Age: 27

Residence: A native of Haiti living in Newburgh

Background: State records show he was released on parole in August 2005 after serving just more than a year in prison for hitting two people with pellets fired from a BB gun and snatching purses from two women in Rockland County.

Hamin Rashada, an assistant imam at a Newburgh mosque, described Payen as penniless, jobless, quiet, evasive and paranoid. He had been fighting deportation to Haiti and for the custody of his 3-year-old son, who is living locally with the child's mother. Rashada said he was introduced to Islam in prison; the imam said he worried about Payen's lack of knowledge about the religion.
 

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By the now, it's maddeningly familiar. A scary terrorist plot is announced. Then it's revealed that the suspects are a hapless bunch of ne'er-do-wells or run-of-the-mill thugs without the slightest connection to any terrorists at all, never mind to Al Qaeda. Finally, the last piece of the puzzle: the entire plot is revealed to have been cooked up by a scummy government agent-provocateur.

I've seen this movie before.

In this case, the alleged perps -- Onta Williams, James Cromitie, David Williams, and Laguerre Payen -- were losers, ex-cons, drug addicts. Al Qaeda they're not. Without the assistance of the agent who entrapped them, they would never have dreamed of committing political violence, nor would they have had the slightest idea about where to acquire plastic explosives or a Stinger missile. That didn't stop prosecutors from acting as if they'd captured Osama bin Laden himself. Noted the Los Angeles Times:


Prosecutors called it the latest in a string of homegrown terrorism plots hatched after Sept. 11.

"It's hard to envision a more chilling plot," Assistant U.S. Atty. Eric Snyder said in court Thursday. He described all four suspects as "eager to bring death to Jews."


Actually, it's hard to imagine a stupider, less competent, and less important plot. The four losers were ensnared by a creepy FBI agent who hung around the mosque in upstate New York until he found what he was looking for. Here's the New York Times account:


Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, the imam at the mosque where the authorities say the confidential informant first encountered the men, said none of the men were active in the mosque. ...

Mr. Cromitie was there last June, and he met a stranger.

He had no way of knowing that the stranger's path to the mosque began in 2002, when he was arrested on federal charges of identity theft. He was sentenced to five years' probation, and became a confidential informant for the F.B.I. He began showing up at the mosque in Newburgh around 2007, Mr. Muhammad said.

The stranger's behavior aroused the imam's suspicions. He invited other worshipers to meals, and spoke of violence and jihad, so the imam said he steered clear of him.

"There was just something fishy about him," Mr. Muhammad said. Members "believed he was a government agent."

Mr. Muhammad said members of his congregation told him the man he believed was the informant offered at least one of them a substantial amount of money to join his "team."


So a creepy thug buttonholes people at a mosque, foaming at the mouth about violence and jihad? This is law enforcement? Just imagine if someone did this at a local church, or some synagogue. And the imam says the people "believed he was a government agent."

Preying on these losers, none of whom were apparently actual Muslims, the "confidential informant" orchestrated the acquisition of a disabled Stinger missile to shoot down military planes and cooked up a wild scheme about attacking a Jewish center in the Bronx.

It gets even more pathetic:


The only one of the four suspects who appears to have aroused any suspicion was Payen, a Haitian native who attended the Newburgh mosque. Assistant imam Hamid Rashada said his dishevelment and odd behavior disturbed some members, said the assistant imam, Hamid Rashada.

When Payen appeared in court, defense attorney Marilyn Reader described him as "intellectually challenged" and on medication for schizophrenia. The Associated Press said that when he was asked if he understood the proceedings, Payen replied: "Sort of."


Despite the pompous statements from Mayor Bloomberg of New York and other politicians, including Representative Peter King, the whole story is bogus. The four losers may have been inclined to violence, and they may have harbored a virulent strain of anti-Semitism. But it seems that the informant whipped up their violent tendencies and their hatred of Jews, cooked up the plot, incited them, arranged their purchase of weapons, and then had them busted. To ensure that it made headlines, the creepy informant claimed to be representing a Pakistani extremist group, Jaish-e Muhammad, a bona fide terrorist organization. He wasn't, of course.

It is disgusting and outrageous that the FBI is sending provocateurs into mosques.

The headlines reinforce the very fear that Dick Cheney is trying to stir up. The story strengthens the narrative that the "homeland" is under attack. It's not. As I've written repeatedly, since 9/11 not a single American has even been punched in the nose by an angry Muslim, as far as I can tell. Plot after plot -- the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge! bombing the New York Subways! taking down the Sears Tower! bombing the Prudential building in Newark! -- proved to be utter nonsense.
 

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These guys were petty criminals, what a joke I just saw Kelly from the NYPD acting all smug like the captured some great criminal/terrorist minds.

Where the hell were they when the saudi's were over here learning how to take off in jets but had no interest in learning how to land them, what a bunch of JO's!!!
 

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GVS I hope this dosen't start another stupid war between us. I apologize for anything I said in those previous disputes
I agree with you 230Grain, I just think all the hype is a bit over the top, did the FBI stop a terrorist attack? I'm not so sure. I guess the point of my post is don't just listen to the news, look closely at the motives, I don't feel much safer having these 4 guys off the street.

I hope the FBI and homeland are actually doing something better than this to keep us safe.
 
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