Double or triple what they say to put down with secret spot or shot plot . The two you mentioned grew great for me last year but was thin and not full .
We planted about 2 monthsa ago . I will have to get out back to get a picture of it . Should be ready for a mowing by now .
WhiteTail Ind is great. I think it is better then mossy oaks up here in the NorthEast. I would also get some food spikes and put them around the edge of your plots, about 10yards from it is good. This will feed the natureal brows around your food plot