[VENISONEATR]

Check out this Muzzle loading company... You can find 500 yard balistics for their gun and it is legal in NJ!!!! http://www.ultimatefirearms.com/
Before you jump all over me, I'm NOTadvocating it!!!!!!

 

[mpemt24]

I can't afford that. I also don't think I could see 500 yards.

 

[VENISONEATR]

I can't afford that. I also don't think I could see 500 yards.

Me too!!!!!!!!! My point is though it meets the criteria for a legal muzzle loading weapon in NJ utilizing a legal propellant. It's rediculous... Pennsylvania had enough foresight to limit their primitive weapons to flintlocks... The sport is going to continue evolving... propellants will be invented, as well as projectiles and ignition systems.

 

[Dragthor]

PA now has 2 different muzzleloader seasons. One season is Flintlock only. The second season can be crossbow, Flintlock, or inline.

 

[bloodtrails]

NJ's intent was not to make a "primitive" season like PA's, but to add an additional method to kill deer.

In any case, and it's no secret that I love massive firepower, I would never want to shoot a scoped muzzleloader with a 300gr bullet and 250gr of powder unless it weighed 15 pounds and was bolted to a bench. Ouch...

 

[mpemt24]

Good point

 

[Stealthy_Bowman]

Sounds like a good way to dislocate a shoulder

 

[VENISONEATR]

NJ's intent was not to make a "primitive" season like PA's, but to add an additional method to kill deer.

I agree but they still had to implement some type of safety boundaries by limiting the propellant. The safety arguement against smokeless powder has no validity and in fact is rediculous. Especially when you have current production guns shooting projectiles with legal propellants that don't become subsonic until 300 yards!!!
I think Pennsylvania saw the writing on the wall in regards to technological advancement and an ever evolving sport...

 

[Cheese]

I wonder what the speed loader looks like for that thing. 2 1/2 times the amount of powder I use.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Why bother. I don't think there's anyplace in New Jersey you could shoot 500 yards. Besides that my 45 Hawken will kill anything that beast will. You just have to be a tad closer.

 

[bloodtrails]

I agree but they still had to implement some type of safety boundaries by limiting the propellant. The safety arguement against smokeless powder has no validity and in fact is rediculous. Especially when you have current production guns shooting projectiles with legal propellants that don't become subsonic until 300 yards!!!

Shhh....

 

[VENISONEATR]

Shhh....

Tsk,tsk,tsk... just kidding

Believe me it has crossed my mind that I may be cutting my own throat by beating the "make smokeless legal drum". It's just that the irony and hypocrisy of current regulations are so blatant.

 

[BROWNING 10 GA]

I'll stick w/ my T/C Encore 209x50.Tried 150 grains but so far have found mine shoots better with just 100 grains(2 pellets).Shot it twice last week and my last 3 shot group was less than 1" at 100 yards.

If that new cannon can handle 250 grains and it shoots accurately and you can afford it,then try it.
I think if 500 yard muzzleloaders become commonplace then the state will eventually restrict their use.

 

[Matty]

If I climbed ontop of my roof with that thing, I could hunt zones 6, 8, 9 and 13.

500 yards!!!

Sounds kind of "scary powerful" to me!

 

[Cheese]

I would like to use pellets but I shoot a 54 caliber they only come in 60 grains. To much powder to shoot 120 grains when 100 grain is more then enough.

 

[bob825]

nice looking guns but a bit pricey for me