You are right on all counts Ray,the 8 was with an 11 but were already on the move before I could get the camera[wallmad]The 11 is about 23" wide [eek]MAX,
Is this a 6... I can't tell from the head on shot, looks like a kicker off his right G2? I saw his twin last night, but he's an 8. Same mass, configuration and body size... and I suspect the same neighborhood.