Hunter's Ed. Manual (Bow Section)

So tell me, which would you rather be on the other side of a briar patch when it's fired in your direction ?

An ARROW ?

Or a load of 00Buck ?

Duh, that's a no brainer for me

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Sorry Paul but.....Is this said "briar Patch" located in "NJ" or some "Other State"??? Because Briar Patches located in NJ are very different than briar patches in any other state. If you could maybe dig in and do a lil' research and get us the answers to said questions. We would be better equipped to answer your original question. Thanks much appreciated[up]

Or we could look at it this way....

Is said "arrow" being launched from some incredibly hard practicing, dedicated fulltime yr round archery season experts vertical bow or is it just being flung from some slobs crossbow?? Because the speed of the arrow is going to determine if I jump out of the way or not.

Wow, is that what it has come to? To defend xbows you are asking which weapon someone wants to be shot with? So much for your safety concerns!!

I think half-racks point has some validity to it. There will indeed be plenty of "SLOBS" who were too damn lazy to take up the bow but now that xbows will be legal they see the "easy" way in. It could be argued they were to lazy to practice and unfortunately they are probably the same with their firearms. This is more the personality of the hunter than the weapon but the xbow now opens the door.

And like it or NOT there is indeed a "safety" concern now that didn't exists BEFORE xbows in bow season. Some yahoo can now pull a FULLY LOADED LETHAL weapon into his stand in the dark,in a close range season. Putting everyone within 50 yards of him in danger. You CANNOT do that with a vertical bow.

some slobs crossbow

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I guess if you hunt with a crossbows you also have a different title other than hunter.

Just another tool in our bag of tricks.

not a super deer slaying weapon.

Putting everyone within 50 yards of him in danger. You CANNOT do that with a vertical bow.

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That's right...............

I forgot that a vertical Bow cannot be fired by someone that is "NOT SURE OF THEIR TARGET, AND BEYOND"

Some yahoo can now pull a FULLY LOADED LETHAL weapon into his stand in the dark,in a close range season.

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I believe that the State of NJ considers a Vertical Bow "loaded" if there is an ARROW nocked.

the f&g refers to "Carrying a loaded firearm or nocked arrow" several times in the wildlife digest

sounds to me that a "nocked arrow" is a loaded weapon...well at least in the eyes of the f&g

So tell me, which would you rather be on the other side of a briar patch when it's fired in your direction ?

An ARROW ?

Or a load of 00Buck ?

Duh, that's a no brainer for me

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Now there's a brilliant statement,I guess a no brainer would say something like this. My answer is neither. Let me know when your done testing your theory though [rofl]

Sorry Paul but.....Is this said "briar Patch" located in "NJ" or some "Other State"??? Because Briar Patches located in NJ are very different than briar patches in any other state. If you could maybe dig in and do a lil' research and get us the answers to said questions.

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Yet another brilliant anology,keep up the witty comebacks guys[hihi]

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Just another tool in our bag of tricks.

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then why is full inclusion so important?

sounds to me that a "nocked arrow" is a loaded weapon

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You are correct, but it's not a dangerous as a cocked crossbow with a loaded bolt or loaded gun. I mean, shooting a bow requires you to draw it back, and that must be so difficult because so many of NJ hunters can't do it, which is why they need crossbows. How can a nocked arrow be so dangerous if it's so hard to draw back and shoot it?

I wonder when there is going to be some NEW and exciting talk about crossbows...instead of the same ol same ol......maybe after we actuall get to use them in the woods

Hmmm, thats an interesting way to ignore someone. I guess things are the same ol same ol. [sad]

Crossbows have a safety, and some have more than one.[up][up] Seems to me crossbows are safer than vertical bows, in that respect. Why is it, those against crossbows continue to think all crossbow hunters are irresponsible yahoos? [sad] Am sure there are plenty of compound bow hunters who "could" fit that same description, but I prefer to be "supportive" of all hunters, as a rule. Weapon, alone, does not make a hunter unethical.

Crossbows have a safety, and some have more than one. Seems to me crossbows are safer than vertical bows

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? Km, the safety of a vertical bow is the persons arm. The "safety" is not turned off until the bow is drawn. You can't mistakenly draw a bow, but you can mistakenly forget to click a button.

Why is it, those against crossbows continue to think all crossbow hunters are irresponsible yahoos?

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Where did you pull this from? I see that someone said it opens the door to bring in irresposible hunters, but you're making it seem like the poor crossbow hunters are getting picked on, which I don't see.

Weapon, alone, does not make a hunter unethical.

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No, but a weapon itself, in certain situations can be seen as unethical. It's something called fair chase.

You can't mistakenly draw a bow, but you can mistakenly forget to click a button.

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Safety stays on until you release it when you're going to fire. You can draw back on a vertical bow and prematurely fire the arrow. Still have to know your target and beyond...same for ALL weapons.

Where did you pull this from? I see that someone said it opens the door to bring in irresposible hunters, but you're making it seem like the poor crossbow hunters are getting picked on, which I don't see.

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This has been the mindset for quite some time. Crossbow hunters have been called yahoos, slob hunters, ect. Am just saying the same "bad adjectives" can be used for any "unethical" hunter. Majority of hunters "are" ethical and good people, IMO. [up]

No, but a weapon itself, in certain situations can be seen as unethical. It's something called fair chase.

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Unethical, to me, is taking a shot that is too risky. Using a legal weapon is not.

How is fair chase different? We're not talking about small fenced in pieces of land where the deer cannot run that far. [confusedagain]

How is fair chase different? We're not talking about small fenced in pieces of land where the deer cannot run that far.

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I've heard some people talk about getting a crack at all those early season unpressured deer with a crossbow. If early season wasn;t a big deal, full inclusion wouldn't have been eaither.

happy, I'm starting to think you don't like crossbows. Fear not...you will still be allowed to use your compound. I'll still use mine.

If early season wasn;t a big deal, full inclusion wouldn't have been eaither.

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Full inclusion is not a 'big deal'..just the right thing to allow crossbows in all seasons compounds are allowed in. Full inclusion is being considered in states where crossbows were allowed, but wasn't fully included. Same fighting as if they were no crossbows at all!! Do we need to have the same thing happen in NJ? I think we have argued enough over 3+ yrs, don't you?