Well, I just got home. Tell me about the Phragmites, Five of us drove the piece over on Sapawna Rd. The standers(which were in the trees) watched about 15 deer(they said one had a nice rack)zig zag through the briars(the no hunt zone) straight into the Phragmites. We followed them in about eighty yards, till we hit the big creek, it was like a highway system through there. There was trails everywhere.