[nightstalker911]

First off, let me say that I'm not putting anyone down for wanting to have a CC Permit. But these permits are not valid in our State and if you don't spend a lot of time in other States that Honor the Fla. permit, why get it?

I have several friends that have the Fla. permits, and they lock their gun in their trunk till they cross the Bridge, exit their vehicle, load their gun, holster it, run their errand in Pa., then reverse the procedure to come home.
Seems like a lot to go through, just to carry your gun for a few hours.
Maybe I'm spoiled because I've been(and still do) carry my gun in this state for over 35 years..

But there are a few pit falls to watch out for...

Getting a gun out of it's case and loading it in a vehicle (and the reverse) can be dangerous. It can also frighten anyone who might view your actions, possible prompting a 911 call.

Also, when your in NJ, remember transportation of a firearm is only legal:

To and from a Range, Hunting area, Repair site, Place of purchase....

So if you are riding around with a handgun in your trunk, just so you can "carry" it in Pa., just might violate NJ's strict gun laws.

So is it worth it to have ?

I guess so, but it might lead to more grief than it's worth.

Note: When we qualify Retired officers for their Retired NJ Carry Permits, we advise them that they should have a MINIMUM of 1 Million $$ in Liability Ins. (Umbrella Policy). We've been told by several Attorneys that even in a "GOOD" shooting, your looking at 30 - 40 THOUSAND $$ in legal fees, and that's just for the Criminal side of it. The Civil side of it could be astronomical !

So how many of you guys with the Fla. Carry permits are also "Packing" the additional Ins. ?

 

[BCsaw]

These sound like great points to consider! [up]

 

[coot09]

I have a $1 million excess liability policy (umbrella), but I never inquired with them about coverage in these situations. I should.

I fully understand the pitfalls of an armed confrontation. That fine line ... or gray area ... where my life is no longer in immediate danger, and I am just acting out in anger, etc. It is a very important point you bring up.

I got my permit when I was doing surveying work for HUD in the crappiest areas of Philadelphia .... where Philadelphia police only come enmasse.

 

[nightstalker911]

I got my permit when I was doing surveying work for HUD in the crappiest areas of Philadelphia .... where Philadelphia police only come enmasse.

Clearly a NEED there [up]

I fully understand the pitfalls of an armed confrontation.

And alot of people will say, " It's better to be JUDGED by 12, than to be CARRIED by 6"

But carrying a handgun brings with it responsibilities that some may not have considered...

How about ?

What about if you Car is broken into while your Handgun is in it because you cannot carry it on you while in NJ ?
Now SOME scumbag has YOUR gun to use in a crime. And when you report the theft to the local PD, you could be charged with UNLAWFUL possession of a Firearm, because you were not LEGALLY transporting a Firearm according to NJ's restrictive gun laws.
And if your gun is used in a shooting resulting in bodily harm or death, and you were found to have had the Firearm unlawfully in your vehicle.....

The NJ Lawyers community would go into a FEEDING FRENZY !!!

HUMMMMMMMMMM !

I've faced these problems for years, and I can LEGALLY carry my gun here in NJ...........

Except in Casinos, schools, and some other establishments which prohibit it.
So I'm forced at times to secure it in my vehicle. But I'm nervous about the above Car theft senario, until I return to my car [sad]

you could be charged with UNLAWFUL possession of a Firearm, because you were not LEGALLY transporting a Firearm according to NJ's restrictive gun laws.

Some might say, "A Judge will never convict you".

Yea right !

Go before a Liberal Judge (and there are MANY here in NJ) and tell him you had the gun in your vehicle because you were trying to get around NJ's prohibition on Concealed Carry. [eek]

You'd better be prepared to DUCK, cause he just might be "THROWING THE BOOK" at you........

 

[bloodtrails]

Any hassle you go through beats the hell out of not ever coming home to your family again. Carry. Always.

 

[230grain hollowpoint]

Based on what you say the FL carry permit in recognized in Pa. My quiestion is do you need a carry permit to hunt with a handgun in Pa or other states that allow FL carry permits?

I have been thinking about getting a PA hunting license specifically to hunt there with a handgun. I also have a friend that has property in TX where we could hunt javilinas with the .357.

 

[bloodtrails]

My quiestion is do you need a carry permit to hunt with a handgun in Pa or other states that allow FL carry permits?

No.

 

[SmokinWoody]

Bloodtrails, don't you need a sportsmans carry? Or is that just for a sidearm backup?[confused]

 

[remingtonman1108]

i am getting mine from florida pretty soon.
My girlfriend lives in PA and i spend tons of time out there..she lives about 20 mins out of Reading and we travel through or into Reading quite a bit. I probably wont even carry that much..I normally dont worry about it at all cuz when we go out to dinner with her family(who all carry in PA) i feel safe enough not to worry.
But when we go out to a few places just the little lady and i..i have felt a little worried a few times in and around Reading PA. I think its a great idea to carry concealed..it can mean life or death to you or many people around you. I think it is insane that the people have the guns in their trunks and cross the border and think they are rambo... those are the people that will ruin the CC for everyone.

 

[ducati]

I carried illegally for 2 years while commuting by train to and from Elizabeth. On one occasion it saved my life.
p.s. on another occasion it stopped a mugging.
In both cases, not a single shot was fired. We need to change the laws here in this state. The man who mugged my brother in Elizabeth, was also suspected in a murder of a robbery/mugging gone bad. My brother was able to escape after the mugger tried to pull him behind a van. A lawyer can't help you when you're dead.

 

[bloodtrails]

don't you need a sportsmans carry?

That's different than a CCW permit.

 

[coot09]

Bloodtrails, don't you need a sportsmans carry? Or is that just for a sidearm backup?

I'm no expert, but I believe the Sportsmans Firearm Permit is required when carrying *concealed* while hunting, trapping, ...

 

[230grain hollowpoint]

The question then is: is a PA or TX hunting license all I need to hunt there with a handgun.

 

[Dlouis]

Nightstalker,

Do you carry when in NJ? If so, perhaps you should play it safe and keep the sidearm locked up at home. Why chance the possibility of having to use your firearm for self defense(or that of others) thereby causing you to submit yourself to whims of NJ's liberal court system?

Heck, why not save a few bucks by dropping your liability ins. and not carry at all...as in never...like when you might be picking up a friend in Newark Penn sta, or traveling to a destination that will bring you through Camden or when the car has been acting up and you've got to run into South Philly.

Perhaps you should just relinquish your right altogether, never to exercise it again.

If Rendell has his way, Pennsy may very well be following on the jackbootsteps of it neighbor to the East. Someday, a PA LTC might be as rare as an NJ CCW, but then will you bother to get one from any state that will issue to an American citizen? What if ret. LEOs are forced to give up their rights along with those whose life has a little less value, the common citizen?

 

[nightstalker911]

Do you carry when in NJ? If so, perhaps you should play it safe and keep the sidearm locked up at home. Why chance the possibility of having to use your firearm for self defense(or that of others) thereby causing you to submit yourself to whims of NJ's liberal court system?

Yes, I carry ALL the time. And have ever since I started on the PD.

Look back at when I started this post. It was intended to point out to people that there might be some pitfalls to a CCW permit.
I've been through years of training, and still train others on the use of deadly force. Training that someone who "MAIL ORDERS" a CCW permit does not receive.
So maybe I'm a little paranoid regarding the use of Firearms for self defence. Maybe it's because I've seen, first hand, what people involved in "good shootings" have had to go through in the NJ legal system.
The criminal aspect is nothing compared to the Civil end of it............ [eyeroll]

 

[blackeyes]

Nightstalker, thanks for the post.

I have some family out in PA, and decided to apply for the permit, kinda just for the hell of it. I should be receiving it soon, but im not going to just be putting the gun on my side.

I plan on taking some formal classes on handling, as some members here know i have inquired about it.

But the info about the liability insurance was very well taken. I will be passing that on to the others who applied with me.

Thanks again.

 

[Dlouis]

My diatribe was inspired by your second sentence in your initial post. More specifically the last 3 words.

 

[BROWNING 10 GA]

good points to consider Paul [up]

 

[oneshotkill]

To and from a Range, Hunting area, Repair site, Place of purchase....

So if you are riding around with a handgun in your trunk, just so you can "carry" it in Pa., just might violate NJ's strict gun laws.

The FEDERAL firearms act of of 1968 states a "peacible journey" clause that allows you to transport [ a properly secured ] firearm to ANYWHERE you have a legal right to be. Superceeds state law. Even if stopped in NJ for a routine traffic stop, I will never consent to any searches of my vehicle becase I have the guts to stand up and assert my rights . And to me it is worth the hassel to go through the routine because I was almost faced with a life and death situation in Philly a few years back where I would have used deadly force in an instant if the threat progressed . I'd rather live to see another day and call the lawyer.

 

[oneshotkill]

I also have a VA permit to carry and am a member of the VCDL [Virginia Citizens Defense League] for the few trips I make to visit family and vacation down there. Also , VA non-res. permit is valid in Pa.